To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

Can you explain the logic in that? There was a concerted campaign to get the Tories out with tactical voting. How on earth could Reform affect the LibDem vote share?

And yet, Starmer won with a huge majority - they've can't all be Mumsnetters!

I don't think there is the appetite on a broad level, for the kind of politics you are referring to. As a nation, conspiracy theories don't land well with the average cynical British person. I know quite a few ex Tory voters and all of them want a shift back to the centre not to the right of right!

5 years is a long time. As Farage said himself, he could be dead by then. Badenoch will have been replaced by a more centrist Tory and Trump will have completed his second term

This is exactly what I think could happen yes.

It’s a skin deep majority. If Reform wasn’t splitting the vote they would have lost again.

Where are you getting 20% from?! Reform got 14.3% of the vote. You can literally look up the voting numbers from any reputable source.

As I said in a previous post, that’s a similar percentage and almost identical number of votes that UKIP (headed by Farage) got in the 2015 General Election so there has not been a “surge” of people heading over to right wing parties or support for Farage. The number of people who have voted for him has remained virtually unchanged over the last decade. 4 million people voted for Farage four months ago and 4 million people voted for him 9 years ago. The only thing that has changed is the media reporting on both incidents.

Barely anyone registered the UKIP voting numbers back then nor do I remember them significantly terrifying anyone or signalling the country was lurching towards Farage sentiments back then so why with an almost identical vote share and number of votes in the election just four months ago do you think that is the case now? It’s the media whipping people up into a frenzy. If Farage was winning over as many people as you say, I would expect the number of people voting for him to have increased significantly over the last ten years but they have remained unchanged. That’s not to say it might not change over the next decade but the election we only just had did not indicate virtually any change had taken place towards the direction of Farage at all. It’s just the same pool of voters plus or minus a small number of defectors from other parties.

Just dropping in to say I find referring to politicians by their first names weirdly matey.

You knew who we meant though 😂

Op I really wouldn't bother discussing politics on Mumsnet, most get all their news from the BBC/Guardian and will indeed be shocked when what you say happens. Starmer got less votes than Corbyn and only 20% of eligible voters so 80% didn't vote for Labour so hardly popular its just the way our system works as alot of former Tory voters stayed at home mainly over the issues you identify. Reform came second in around 100 seats where Labour came first mainly in the North so in prime position to benefit from Labour's disintegration at the next election.

Maybe this is OPs job.
Researching on MN is lazy.

It is lazy posting to start a thread, drop the same link half dozen times, call the UK England and then mention you don't like Islam. No substance just sound bites, a little bit of AI to explain your absence then bob's your uncle.

I agree. Culturally we are very different to the US and our politics are very different. You can’t make direct comparisons as easily. For example, the abortion issue is a huge thing over there. I was watching the exit polls come in last night and for about half the states, voters were saying that abortion was their second biggest concern after the economy. Even more so than immigration. Whereas over here in the UK, this isn’t even in the top 1000 things we have argued about politically for decades. Current UK polling shows 80-90% support for pro-choice policies. The significant majority of people on both the left and right here are in favour of it. It’s just not on our radar for debate or something that would ever ever come up in a campaign here by any major party.

the Op’s job? 😆

mumsnetting… yep i can believe that

I liked the bit where I got quizzed on my take on geopolitics in the next five years, all of which was set out with bolded headings.

I think we could all guess it was an anti immigrant poster. Probably thinks the rioters were heroes - speaking for the common folk.

Wants to keep Britain white and Christian, yet doesn't understand why they're called far right. What's wrong with a 'sensible' immigration policy??

It’s just so strange that people are convinced that asylum seekers / ‘immigrants’ / whatever term suits at the time are the root of all their problems, but don’t bat an eyelid over the monarchy’s dodgy financial dealings, the likes of big patriots Farage & Rees Mogg tax dodging, Michelle Mone and the other Covid scammers, etc etc. Never anywhere near the same level of interest or attention. I wonder why, I really do. As another post mentioned, similar to thinking the ‘mainstream media’ is producing fake news but happily consuming Russian & Chinese disinformation on Facebook. Funny old world

Absolutely @username7891

Op is a reform voter

This is simply an OP with far far too much time on her hands

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Coming on here with drivel.

A week can be a long time in politics

Let alone 4 ish years, so I’d say Yabu, op, we all have no idea where things will be by then. Farage (the chain smoker) might well be dead by then, and Kemi may well have been eaten by the TP too. Have any of their leaders survived 4 years in the last decade?

So you do agree the discourse around migration has been racialised then and is in the realms of the far right. The objection isn't to the number of people coming here, just the number of people from a particular group.

Which parts of Islam do you think are not compatible with your culture? I also wonder, have you been equally vociferous in your condemnation of welcoming Ukrainians in to the country? Given that Amnnesty International and the UN had released various reports and warnings about the prevalence of VAWG in the country (as well as the rise of the far right).

And the majority of illegal migrants are visa overstayers from India (Hindu), China (Secular) and Vietnam (Buddhist) btw, so not sure what form of Islam they're bringing in, or how it differs from that of a legal migrant from Wahhabist Saudi (who are welcomed by all politicians)?

not a chance she’s preparing chopping veg for her children’s dinner

more likely darkened room, tv flickering, alone and tapping furiously away on mumsnet!

Yes and that is because religion is political in the U S.A. In this country, faith is a private thing and people on a whole would not bring it up publicly.

Agreed.