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Woman’s death could have been due to parked cars

191 replies

MikeRafone · 05/11/2024 13:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

something should be done to prevent drivers blocking emergency vehicles

lines in red on narrow roads to show width of vehicle and if if your car doesn’t fit park elsewhere ( not on pavement)

Philomena who had long dark brown hair and is wearing a turquoise top sitting on a blue sofa holding a car that says "Mum"

Turf Lodge family of woman who died blame parked cars for delayed ambulance

A car had to be moved before an ambulance could get down the street to a woman in cardiac arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

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Allfur · 07/11/2024 17:53

True, it can depend on where you are

MikeRafone · 07/11/2024 17:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39356514

you need to drive onto the pavement to park and this is why I have an issue with pavement parking - and I was answering the poster in the thread as to why I couldn't grasp her opinion

Esmé Rose Weir

Cheshire van driver cleared of dangerous driving after four-year-old's death

Four-year-old Esmé Rose Weir was run over as she rode her scooter along the pavement to pre-school.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39356514

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sharpclawedkitten · 07/11/2024 18:00

Yes, driving on the pavement is illegal, and you have to drive onto (and off, and too many times, along) the pavement to park on it.

So I can't see how parking on the pavement is ok!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 07/11/2024 18:01

MikeRafone · 07/11/2024 17:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39356514

you need to drive onto the pavement to park and this is why I have an issue with pavement parking - and I was answering the poster in the thread as to why I couldn't grasp her opinion

That's tragic.

You seem to have a problem with pavement parking full stop, even when posters have talked about councils allowing it and many pavements being absolutely wide enough.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 07/11/2024 18:02

sharpclawedkitten · 07/11/2024 18:00

Yes, driving on the pavement is illegal, and you have to drive onto (and off, and too many times, along) the pavement to park on it.

So I can't see how parking on the pavement is ok!

Perhaps you need to take that up with the councils who mark out parking bays on the pavement 🙄

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/11/2024 18:04

soupfiend · 05/11/2024 13:15

You should park on the pavement if its an area where you should.

There’s at least one residential road around here where the pavement is marked with white lines to shown that you are supposed to park on it to a certain extent. There wouldn’t be room for e.g. a fire engine to get down it otherwise.

Balletdreamer · 07/11/2024 18:16

buffyajp · 05/11/2024 13:35

There is no area where you should. If the road is that narrow then simply you should not park there. Even if it does mean you aren’t directly outside your house. Your car does not take priority over wheelchair users and buggy’s

Not true unfortunately. In London it’s against the law to park on the pavement unless the spaces are marked on the pavement. It’s annoying for pedestrians but in these cases you have to park on the pavement as that’s where the council has marked out the spaces.

MikeRafone · 07/11/2024 18:33

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 07/11/2024 18:01

That's tragic.

You seem to have a problem with pavement parking full stop, even when posters have talked about councils allowing it and many pavements being absolutely wide enough.

I have answered the question asked
if you wanted to decide other factors that’s your choice, not mine

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RecklessGoddess · 07/11/2024 18:44

OK, illegal might be the wrong wording for just parking on a pathway, but every council has its own rules, and can give fines to anyone who parks on a path, but it is absolutely 100% illegal to completely block a pathway ANYWHERE in the UK!

What are the laws that prohibit parking on pavements?
It is an offence to drive on to a pavement, contrary to s.72 of the Highway Act 1835 and s.34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988).
It is an offence to leave a vehicle on a road (including the pavement) in a dangerous position, contrary to s.22 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
It is an offence to obstruct a pavement, contrary to Regulation 103 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
Rule 145 of the Highway Code states You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.

www.pedestriansafety.org.uk/pavement_parking_q_a.html#:~:text=It%20is%20an%20offence%20to%20leave%20a%20vehicle%20on%20a,Construction%20and%20Use

coffeesaveslives · 07/11/2024 18:50

sharpclawedkitten · 07/11/2024 18:00

Yes, driving on the pavement is illegal, and you have to drive onto (and off, and too many times, along) the pavement to park on it.

So I can't see how parking on the pavement is ok!

There are many, many councils across the UK who make you park on the pavement.

DdraigGoch · 07/11/2024 19:41

coffeesaveslives · 07/11/2024 18:50

There are many, many councils across the UK who make you park on the pavement.

Those councils need to grow a pair and get the yellow paint out.

Auburngal · 08/11/2024 13:26

On the entrance to my road there are some very old trees - land of the street used to be a hosiery factory late 1890s then a warehouse before it got knocked down. Housing was built 2008-10.

There are DYLs around the entrance. The dead fallen leaves have covered the DYLs and vehicles are parking on them. This makes getting out of the road difficult as vehicles coming from my left drive at dangerous speeds. This always happens every autumn. Common sense doesn’t apply if you can’t see the lines for 2-3 months of the year.

Have contacted council to make sure the leaves are cleared and get parking wardens to patrol area. Its out of bounds for the wardens - yet patrol the next junction which is next to shops.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 08/11/2024 21:13

We had similar @Auburngal. When I contacted the council they allegedly sent someone round but couldn't do anything because the drivers had blue badges. Apparently that meant they could park on DYL parallel with a crossroads turning it into a blind junction.

Reugny · 08/11/2024 22:41

Allfur · 07/11/2024 17:37

Once they're set up, they're generally fine to use

Which one of the many parking apps is that?

It got to a point where I needed a different app for every place I parked in.

(You just reminded me my borough has changed parking providers.)

HungHung · 09/11/2024 04:08

I live in the outskirts of one of the largest towns in Scotland. 24yrs ago there were 2 buses to the nearest city in the morning, & in the evening, 2 buses back. There were 4 buses/ hr to the town centre. The area around my home have now expanded, but there are no buses to the city anymore. The local circular bus service is two an hour, first bus leaving the town centre at 7.15am Monday - Fri; 9am Sat & Sun. The last bus leaves the town centre at 5.20pm; at weekends it’s 5pm. This is a vast improvement as a few months ago there was only 1 bus/ hr with drivers taking a 1hr lunch break & the last bus was 4pm from the town centre, with no service on Sundays.

Houses in my scheme (1994) all have a single driveway. We are lucky that we have converted our front garden to hold 3 cars. There are 2 parking bays available for visitors serving 50 houses. People park their cars on the mini roundabout outside our house. Depending on the car lengths & how people park, it is possible to fit 5 cars! Most households here have at least 2 cars. We have 3 to share between my family of 5. Some of my neighbours do park on the road/ pavement.

Properties in the newer schemes have a driveway for one or two cars, with minimal front garden (cannot be converted to park one car). Some of these 4/ 5 bedroom houses cost upwards of £400k. Some streets don’t have a pavement; just a grass verge. People there do park on the pavement as there’s no alternative. If they park on the road, another car can just about squeeze past. I do not understand why the councils allowed these properties to be built with minimal parking on narrow roads, knowing the lack of public transport (& other infrastructure eg lack of schools/ GPs etc).

In the winter, the gritters (which do occasionally come round) have trouble accessing parts of the area, especially as some schemes are up/ down a hill, so lots of households park their cars on the main road, where it’s flat. Pavements are gritted (on one side), but it’s actually safer to walk on the roads than the pavements.

My mother is in a wheelchair, so I do understand the concerns of pedestrian safety. Where she lives, the pavements are wide enough so cars can park half on the pavement, & a double buggy can still get past. She is also lucky as she lives 5min from a main road that has lots of buses serving the area.

My issue is the lack of public transport in some areas; lots of (new) homes; narrow streets; narrow or non-existent pavements; no/ small driveways; insufficient parking spaces for 3/4/5 bedroom homes. Adult children are living at home for longer as they cannot afford to move out. Builders, road planners & councils know that. One way they’re going to encourage households to give up on cars is to improve public transport (connections & prices). I care for my mother. It is 3 buses to visit her (2 hr journey & that’s excluding waiting for buses & being stuck in traffic, so that is minimum 4hrs on public transport, & £18 return). It only takes me 40min to drive to her house (25miles) & I do this several times a week as she has dementia & cancer so ongoing treatment at hospital.

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