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To ask you to pray for Valencia - Spain floods aftermath

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PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 11:55

I have been an on-and-off Mumsnetter for years, I’m Valencian, and haven’t seen a thread until now about what is happening in Spain.

The situation is dire. For those unaware of what has happened, I urge you to read about it. On Tuesday 29 October, large areas west and south of the city of Valencia suffered the deadliest flash floods ever recorded in the country. Ever since that night, we live in a constant nightmare. I am one of the lucky ones whose town was not damaged. My family is alive. It was a terrifying night and many people survived by climbing on to their roofs, cars, or trees. Some of our neighbours took 2 days to come back home after sleeping on a lorry, the roof of a gas station, I could go on.

215 deaths have been reported so far. The real number is much, much higher. Water came all of a sudden and caught thousands of people out in the streets, shopping, driving back from work. A year’s worth of rain fell in just a few minutes, and towns downstream were flash-flooded out of nowhere. The emergency alert came in at 8:15pm, by which point hundreds of people had already been dragged by the water and killed. None of us saw this coming, I was at work until 7:45pm and made it back totally unaware just because I happen to live on the other side of the river. We were not warned that this amount of water was coming.

The destruction has been immense. Whole neighbourhoods wiped out. Roads are blocked, railways unusable, thousands of cars and lorries were dragged by the water and now block streets and access routes to the city itself (which is unaffected due to the river being diverted after the floods in 1957).

The worst of it is that there are still thousands of missing people. They estimate 2000, but it could be higher. Many towns and villages still don’t have running water, electricity, phone signal, and their roads are totally inaccessible so nobody knows what has happened to their inhabitants.

The amount of mud everywhere is terrifying. People don’t have clean water or food, access to toilets, many are still unable to come out of their homes due to mud and car piles blocking their streets. People have lost everything - their homes, cars, businesses and belongings.

Corpses are found all the time inside cars in garages, parking lots, floating away in the streams… It is gruesome. The conditions are unhygienic. The mayor of one town has said they have hundreds of cars at the bottom of the hill still buried in the mud, and none of their presumed occupants have been seen or heard of since the flood. This is a real tragedy. It is not being reported properly outside of Spain from what I can see.

The regional government is fighting with the national government over who needs to pull the trigger and involve bigger agencies and resources in the recovery of this area. I won’t go into the details, it’s shameful.

Help has come late and not in enough quantities - the Valencian people have walked over the bridge to the damaged side of the river for days now, with buckets, spades, brooms and cleaning supplies, and they are cleaning the streets. All the furniture inside damaged homes needs to be thrown away. People are collecting incredible amounts of food, water, sanitary and baby products, and the police is finally organising supply routes to most towns. It’s the citizens of the region who are doing the heavy lifting right now.

The Army apparently came in yesterday. Let’s hope they stay for longer than a week. Thousands of people are missing. We need proper machines to pump out water from garages and streets. Some villages are still to see the Emergency Military Unit (UME) who is meant to clear bodies, bring food and water and start repairs. Nobody is helping these people, roads are too damaged for cars to drive there, it’s too far to walk.

I have been unable to help physically this weekend due to caring responsibilities. Tomorrow morning I will be going in to sweep mud out of homes, and hope the infestation in the affected towns (from a lack of sewage and clean water systems) doesn’t make us all ill. But we can’t just stay at home.

I ask that you please pray for the Valencian region. We are due heavy rainfall again tonight. We can’t cope with even more water. If you are not religious, please send your good thoughts over to Spain. We are too busy and too traumatised to protest to the government right now. The response has been appalling, and it’s the community coming together and cleaning the streets by hand, one by one, that will end up rebuilding the area. Pray that aid reaches the cut-off towns. That people can call their loved ones and find out they are well. That this nightmare ends soon. Sorry for the very long post, but this needs to be known more widely.

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Drinkdrinkduuurink · 03/11/2024 13:45

Believe it's a once in a lifetime type occurrence this.

My mum would light a candle at the church for people.

Thinking of all those affected by this.

MSLRT · 03/11/2024 13:54

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:14

It’s horrendous. But YABU for asking people to pray. Ask them to do something useful and practical.

Seriously? This is what you took from the OP's sad post? What is wrong with you!

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 14:01

Helpnifoseeker · 03/11/2024 13:29

But the OP DOES believe in the power of prayer. She has made it clear she respects people's choice to not believe, so please respect HER choice to believe and let it go now.

Why keep responding to me then? There won’t be anything to let go if you just stop commenting on my posts.

DragonGypsyDoris · 03/11/2024 14:05

I just don't get the request for prayer. If God can fix it through prayer, why did he let it happen in the first place?

MSLRT · 03/11/2024 14:08

DragonGypsyDoris · 03/11/2024 14:05

I just don't get the request for prayer. If God can fix it through prayer, why did he let it happen in the first place?

I don't think the point of the post was to enter into a debate on religion. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and if it helps people cope then why not?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/11/2024 14:32

You have been in my prayers since I first heard of this terrible event.

There are many, many people who are thinking of you all with deep concern, OP.

SleepQuest33 · 03/11/2024 14:37

Praying for you and for all of Valencia. 🙏

AutumnLeaves24 · 03/11/2024 14:38

Youvebeenframed · 03/11/2024 13:00

I live 80km south of the affected areas. Our local community pages are rammed with the staggering amount of support by way of collections going up by the van load from every single village and town and offers of practical help.
I manned a collection point for our local ajuntament yesterday morning - we were inundated with donations for people and many many animal rescues that have been destroyed.
The community response has been truly humbling and quite moving to see.
There are many trusted places to donate but I don’t think we’re allowed to post here?
The Spanish people are strong and resilient- they will get through this and the villages will rise 💪🏻
The government have blood on their hands.
My heart is broken for our neighbours in Valencia. 💔

@Youvebeenframed

that's heartening to hear 💕

@PrayForValencia

i don't have a religious bone in my body, but I have been thinking & worrying about everyone there.

I do agree with @SpiggingBelgium in that practical help or donations are needed, I don't think her post was disrespectful or unkind.

I lived in Valencia for a while, both in the old town & down by the beach (I'm relieved to hear that area has not been too badly affected. Whilst absolutely gutted to hear about the areas that have)

I would have come to help, but with several health issues & results of an accident, unfortunately I'd be more of a liability than helpful these days 🥲

I hope that everyone who needs help gets it!!

I also hope you govt et al. Get themselves sorted out!! It seems like it's all been handled incredibly badly by the authorities. Refusing help from France because of their pride, it's pathetic & they're not thinking about their people. I'm pleased to hear the French went anyway.

big love to all impacted xx

Hardlyworking · 03/11/2024 14:43

YABU. Prayer is a completely useless made up thing with precisely zero benefit, except making the pray-er feel better about themselves.

Whetherornotyoutry · 03/11/2024 14:44

I'm so sorry. I live in Italy and we are still clearing up from the floods two weeks ago which were awful but nowhere near as bad as the ones experienced in Spain. Solidarity. Praying for you all.

Whetherornotyoutry · 03/11/2024 14:47

Hardlyworking · 03/11/2024 14:43

YABU. Prayer is a completely useless made up thing with precisely zero benefit, except making the pray-er feel better about themselves.

You're wrong. I'm not even religious and I found it really comforting to know that people were praying or even thinking about our situation recently. Sometimes it's better to read the room and refrain from commenting. Maybe go and start your own thread about your thoughts regarding prayer rather than kicking the OP when she's down?

Blueblell · 03/11/2024 14:49

My thoughts are with the people of Valencia. I cannot believe it couldn’t be predicted to an extent, but I guess it was a very localised phenomenon. One thing that struck me in the news reports was the lack of emergency services on the scene. It sounds like the army is now getting involved and hope people are getting the support they need.

Redlarge · 03/11/2024 14:52

It looked terrifying. I'm shocked at the lack of warnings too.

Waltdisnerd · 03/11/2024 14:55

Hardlyworking · 03/11/2024 14:43

YABU. Prayer is a completely useless made up thing with precisely zero benefit, except making the pray-er feel better about themselves.

I feel sorry for you.

Blueblell · 03/11/2024 14:55

I think we all know what the OP means when she says when she says pray for Valencia. If you are not religious that is fine, but this isn’t really the time to air that view.

Hardlyworking · 03/11/2024 14:56

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GoForARun · 03/11/2024 14:57

I am so dreadfully sorry.

You, your family and friends and the people of Valencia are in my thoughts and prayers.

Redlarge · 03/11/2024 14:59

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Pity isn't finate... you can have a heart and empathy for all those struggling.

IVFmumoftwo · 03/11/2024 15:03

Nobodywantsthis · 03/11/2024 12:21

And all I keep seeing on the news is trump Vs Harris. So bored of it. When there are more important issues such as this happening.

It has been reported as top news.

IVFmumoftwo · 03/11/2024 15:04

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IVFmumoftwo · 03/11/2024 15:07

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:43

I hope it will start being reported more widely soon. France offered to send 200 firefighters and Spain said thank you, but we are managing. They turned up anyway. I hope the leaders can unite soon and work together regardless of party politics, this country needs them united so that we can also coordinate with those who want to help abroad.

It has been reported on in the UK. I believe it was top news a few days ago.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 03/11/2024 15:10

Praying. Are there any religious orders or churches doing charity work? In my experience they often work selflessly and very locally. Franciscans, Jesuits, St Vincent de Paul, Dominican, any others? Then we can look for their website.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 03/11/2024 15:11

Redlarge · 03/11/2024 14:59

Pity isn't finate... you can have a heart and empathy for all those struggling.

Statistically more children are abused by husbands and fathers. The problem is any sort of patriarchy ime.

IVFmumoftwo · 03/11/2024 15:11

Clearinguptheclutter · 03/11/2024 13:01

I’m not a praying person but I have been following and the people affected are certainly in my thoughts. The pictures I have seen are shocking.

but just now I have checked the main news websites and there is currently no coverage at all which is just terrible (though there most certainly has been ). Thank you for making more of us aware, I’ll also donate if there is a recommended charity.

we have had quite a few devastating floods I this country over the years but I don’t recall anything which such a horrific loss of life.

I think from what I read many were driving in their cars or went down to garages to get their cars out before the water came and became trapped. I don't know if you have seen the pictures but there is so many cars in piles with people in them.

Whetherornotyoutry · 03/11/2024 15:17

IVFmumoftwo · 03/11/2024 15:11

I think from what I read many were driving in their cars or went down to garages to get their cars out before the water came and became trapped. I don't know if you have seen the pictures but there is so many cars in piles with people in them.

My neighbour went down to our underground garage to get his car and ended up abandoning it and only just got out. It is scary how quickly flood water can overwhelm you. Literally seconds. 😥