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To ask you to pray for Valencia - Spain floods aftermath

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PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 11:55

I have been an on-and-off Mumsnetter for years, I’m Valencian, and haven’t seen a thread until now about what is happening in Spain.

The situation is dire. For those unaware of what has happened, I urge you to read about it. On Tuesday 29 October, large areas west and south of the city of Valencia suffered the deadliest flash floods ever recorded in the country. Ever since that night, we live in a constant nightmare. I am one of the lucky ones whose town was not damaged. My family is alive. It was a terrifying night and many people survived by climbing on to their roofs, cars, or trees. Some of our neighbours took 2 days to come back home after sleeping on a lorry, the roof of a gas station, I could go on.

215 deaths have been reported so far. The real number is much, much higher. Water came all of a sudden and caught thousands of people out in the streets, shopping, driving back from work. A year’s worth of rain fell in just a few minutes, and towns downstream were flash-flooded out of nowhere. The emergency alert came in at 8:15pm, by which point hundreds of people had already been dragged by the water and killed. None of us saw this coming, I was at work until 7:45pm and made it back totally unaware just because I happen to live on the other side of the river. We were not warned that this amount of water was coming.

The destruction has been immense. Whole neighbourhoods wiped out. Roads are blocked, railways unusable, thousands of cars and lorries were dragged by the water and now block streets and access routes to the city itself (which is unaffected due to the river being diverted after the floods in 1957).

The worst of it is that there are still thousands of missing people. They estimate 2000, but it could be higher. Many towns and villages still don’t have running water, electricity, phone signal, and their roads are totally inaccessible so nobody knows what has happened to their inhabitants.

The amount of mud everywhere is terrifying. People don’t have clean water or food, access to toilets, many are still unable to come out of their homes due to mud and car piles blocking their streets. People have lost everything - their homes, cars, businesses and belongings.

Corpses are found all the time inside cars in garages, parking lots, floating away in the streams… It is gruesome. The conditions are unhygienic. The mayor of one town has said they have hundreds of cars at the bottom of the hill still buried in the mud, and none of their presumed occupants have been seen or heard of since the flood. This is a real tragedy. It is not being reported properly outside of Spain from what I can see.

The regional government is fighting with the national government over who needs to pull the trigger and involve bigger agencies and resources in the recovery of this area. I won’t go into the details, it’s shameful.

Help has come late and not in enough quantities - the Valencian people have walked over the bridge to the damaged side of the river for days now, with buckets, spades, brooms and cleaning supplies, and they are cleaning the streets. All the furniture inside damaged homes needs to be thrown away. People are collecting incredible amounts of food, water, sanitary and baby products, and the police is finally organising supply routes to most towns. It’s the citizens of the region who are doing the heavy lifting right now.

The Army apparently came in yesterday. Let’s hope they stay for longer than a week. Thousands of people are missing. We need proper machines to pump out water from garages and streets. Some villages are still to see the Emergency Military Unit (UME) who is meant to clear bodies, bring food and water and start repairs. Nobody is helping these people, roads are too damaged for cars to drive there, it’s too far to walk.

I have been unable to help physically this weekend due to caring responsibilities. Tomorrow morning I will be going in to sweep mud out of homes, and hope the infestation in the affected towns (from a lack of sewage and clean water systems) doesn’t make us all ill. But we can’t just stay at home.

I ask that you please pray for the Valencian region. We are due heavy rainfall again tonight. We can’t cope with even more water. If you are not religious, please send your good thoughts over to Spain. We are too busy and too traumatised to protest to the government right now. The response has been appalling, and it’s the community coming together and cleaning the streets by hand, one by one, that will end up rebuilding the area. Pray that aid reaches the cut-off towns. That people can call their loved ones and find out they are well. That this nightmare ends soon. Sorry for the very long post, but this needs to be known more widely.

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SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:32

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Nothing’s wrong with me, thanks. I just believe in doing something practical.

Ellmau · 03/11/2024 12:33

It's truly dreadful.

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:34

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 03/11/2024 12:11

How come there was no warning though? Usually forecasts predict rainfall amounts?

After some heavy rain in the morning and local floods inland (not unusual by heavy rainfall every couple of years), the President of the region declared the weather conditions over at 1pm, even though the official forecast still had a red warning on for the area.

I don’t know if it was negligence or if they simply could not see it would be this bad, perhaps a combination of the two.

What angers me is that from 5-6pm roads and bridges were already collapsing, cars aquaplanning, the worst of it (in the south) hit around 7pm, and the alert only came at 8:15pm. This speaks to a lack of communication and organisation, the awareness of natural disaster consequences in this country definitely needs to be raised.

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Lentilweaver · 03/11/2024 12:34

A really terrible situation and likely to be more common with climate change. Sending you all my good wishes. I really hope things improve.

Waltdisnerd · 03/11/2024 12:35

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:31

Yes, really. If you think I’m unreasonable, that’s entirely your prerogative, but thoughts and prayers don’t rebuild homes - that’s just fact.

There is absolutely zero need for you to come on here and be disrespectful.

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:37

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:14

It’s horrendous. But YABU for asking people to pray. Ask them to do something useful and practical.

I am sorry that my faith bothers you. Few in the Mumsnet community are close enough to those towns that they can pick up a shovel and start digging through the mud. Hope you felt like you did something useful by writing this comment today.

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baroqueandblue · 03/11/2024 12:37

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:32

Nothing’s wrong with me, thanks. I just believe in doing something practical.

No, first and foremost you believe in grinding axes. Don't excuse it.

Apologies, OP. If there was something practical I could do... However, I will have a look for local appeal pages now.

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:38

Waltdisnerd · 03/11/2024 12:35

There is absolutely zero need for you to come on here and be disrespectful.

It’s nothing to do with being disrespectful. It’s just the truth.

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:39

No, first and foremost you believe in grinding axes. Don't excuse it.

You’re the one swearing at strangers. I don’t think I’m the one with an axe to grind here.

Lentilweaver · 03/11/2024 12:39

So terrifying that you had no warning. How awful.
I do my best to keep my carbon footprint low- see my name!- but I wonder often if individual actions change anything.

Waltdisnerd · 03/11/2024 12:40

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:38

It’s nothing to do with being disrespectful. It’s just the truth.

You are obviously being disrespectful, anyone can see that.
Sorry you have to read ignorant comments op.
There's power in prayer ❤️

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:40

Newrumpus · 03/11/2024 12:21

Has there been a DEC set up for donations?

I don’t believe there is an equivalent of this in Spain. Citizens have been organising donation points and lorry drivers are crossing the country every day providing water tanks and food collected in other regions, the solidarity is heartwarming.

The government can barely agree on who should sit on the newly-formed committee, and when they should raise the regional emergency level (5 days ago, if you ask me).

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baroqueandblue · 03/11/2024 12:41

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:39

No, first and foremost you believe in grinding axes. Don't excuse it.

You’re the one swearing at strangers. I don’t think I’m the one with an axe to grind here.

You're not a stranger though, you've already shown us all we need to know about you.

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:41

Waltdisnerd · 03/11/2024 12:40

You are obviously being disrespectful, anyone can see that.
Sorry you have to read ignorant comments op.
There's power in prayer ❤️

Well I don’t respect prayers. That’s as much my choice as it is for others to post about it.

SpiggingBelgium · 03/11/2024 12:42

baroqueandblue · 03/11/2024 12:41

You're not a stranger though, you've already shown us all we need to know about you.

I know all I need to know about you too.

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:43

QuarterHorse · 03/11/2024 12:29

Thank you for posting. It's horrific. We spent our honeymoon 6 yrs ago in Valencia. It holds a special place in our hearts. I do not understand why the international community has not started to get aid and rescue to you as yet. We seem quick enough to send it outside of Europe. I do hope that the death toll does not rise further.
The efforts of the Valencian communities are incredible and humbling.

I hope it will start being reported more widely soon. France offered to send 200 firefighters and Spain said thank you, but we are managing. They turned up anyway. I hope the leaders can unite soon and work together regardless of party politics, this country needs them united so that we can also coordinate with those who want to help abroad.

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BookishType · 03/11/2024 12:43

It’s desperate. I’m not a prayer but I’ll be making a donation.

mbosnz · 03/11/2024 12:45

You are very much in our thoughts, and I will pray to the universe for you and your fellow Valencians. It is a terrible, terrible situation you are all going through, truly horrific and terrifying.

Thank you pp for the link, we will definitely make a donation. I wish so much we could do more.

For now, obviously, the focus is on survival, recovery, and clean up. I'm sure there will be time later when there are not such terrible urgent things that need to be done immediately for investigations into culpability, and for what could be done in the future to try to ensure that if such a tragedy happens again, responses could be bettered.

Sourisblanche · 03/11/2024 12:46

I love Spain. I did my Erasmus year there. I will make a donation when I’m home this evening and will say a little pray for you all.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2024 12:46

The reporting on this seems lower than it might have been a few years ago. I feel like climate tragedies are becoming more idk passed by

It's very concerning, the images and clips looked terrifying

PrayForValencia · 03/11/2024 12:47

Lampzade · 03/11/2024 12:07

Dh is Spanish . The whole thing is heartbreaking.
I just feel so helpless .

Sending hugs. The feeling of helplessness is awful even for those of us close by, who are unable to go every day - I am an able-bodied young woman who should be there…

I have donated food, water, etc - and right now there isn’t much else to do but raise awareness. That in itself, will help too.

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TiramisuThief · 03/11/2024 12:47

I'm not religious but I have been thinking about the dreadful nightmare that's ongoing for people in that region. I hope help arrives soon.

Like in North Carolina after Helene, official agencies couldn't reach many rural communities so local people started raising funds and clearing the debris themselves.

I hope the rain forecasted is not as bad as feared.

NinaLively · 03/11/2024 12:48

I'm an atheist, but have witnessed the effects on those who believe when they know they're being prayed for. YANBU to ask people to pray for you. If people want to make a donation too then they should, quietly. I will be.

OP I'm so sorry. My best friend lives in Valencia with her family. They are all safe but devastated and are desperately trying to reach their friend who they've not heard from. Keeping you all in my thoughts.

ChimneyRock · 03/11/2024 12:51

I visited Valencia a month ago for the first time and was blown away by the city. Loved it and so this tragedy has particularly resonated with me.
Are there any national appeals that we could donate to? I will have a look...

dollopofsauce · 03/11/2024 12:52

Watching it on TV it looks absolutely horrific. I adore Spain and Valencia is such a beautiful area. The response from the public in the rescue effort looks amazing.

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