The NI changes are going to cost my organisation £1000 per employee

[flashbac]

The NI changes are going to cost my organisation on average £1000 per employee, The lowering of the threshold alone is going to cost around £600 extra per employee.

We are heavily regulated with fixed income. We're a not for profit. Our customers expectations are increasing. We are now most likely going to have to somehow reduce our headcount now, and payrises for April are going to be off the table.

Just shaking my head really. Our employees don't deserve this. Hard to see how this isn't a tax on jobs.

The lowering of the threshold also means employers have to pay for more workers, because part time salaries are now dragged into it.

A lot of people reading this won't care. All I can say is this NI increase will also affect you. just think about Local authorities, childcare providers and other services. Do you think it won't affect your Councils services/tax bills, to give one example?

(I'm not a Tory bot btw, before anyone starts accusing me of being one. I voted Remain, don't support the Tories at all, can't stand Boris and his cronies.)

The NHS employs fewer managers than is the average in the private sector. If anything, the NHS suffers from having too few managers and expecting frontline staff to carry out management functions that take then away from frontline duties.

This tired old trope of "the NHS has too many managers" is a slogan trotted out by idiots people that haven't a clue what management is, and have no idea how the NHS functions.

Same here.

Quite. Which it likely would have in 2017(along with some hefty borrowing). But Labour's leader was crazy, warning about the collapse of the NHS, raging about the housing crisis, banging on about the injustices in Palestine. None of which were real concerns apparently.

What an obnoxious comment.

It sets out £8 billion in planned tax increases and they have imposed £40 billion.

Then there's also the watering down of the carried interest changes, the promise to fund increases in day to day spending through growth rather than increased tax and of course "Labour will not increase taxes on working people" to name a few.

I am pretty sure Councils are NOT exempt from employers NI or protected from the rise. Please remember Councils are County, Borough, Town and Parish.

Therefore, increases in NI and minimum wage will be passed on in Council tax. And as Councils are 'service industries' where most of the expense is employeed, that's going to be quite a lot.

Please can you provide evidence of your claim?

I said, it will be painful. Social care is getting more extra money than the increase will cost them though.

@flashbac out of interest how were your employees treated during the pandemic? How many of them use the infrastructure paid for by taxes? We have to learn to work harder because we have to pay for coasting and then massive spending and in the future the weight of the elderly.

Sorry to hear that @Papyrophile

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And it looks like the markets are digesting the budget and we'll just be paying more for that debt instead

The Department for Health and Social Care have said they are get to confirm details for private businesses providing NHS services.

Exactly. Labour has rewarded it Union paymasters. The budget was traditional Labour through and through.

Who did you vote for? Tories to run the country even further into the ground? Fascist farage and his unwashed, unruly mob? Lib Dem’s so they could go on supporting the tories & vote for benefit cuts again? I’m interested in your decision.

Reform is polling very well. I would imagine Farage in power after the next election.

The government have been subsidising low wages for years. Topping up with benefits. About time employers put their hands in their pockets.

I think he will do amazingly.

I say that with complete horror.

I have a terrible feeling that Labour have really fucked this up.

There’s an article on the BBC on the exemptions – you are welcome to go and look it up.

Council employees come under public sector. I’m sure the nuances will become clear, just as the Department for Health and Social Care have said they will for GPs, care homes and hospices.

The majority of councils have been raising council tax to the cap year on year anyway. Nothing new there. Will have to await news on if caps will be raised.

It won't work out like that though, for the majority anyway (OBR). The cost will be past on to employees, or customers.

I said, it will be painful. Social care is getting more extra money than the increase will cost them though.

That does not mean, local authorities will pay increased fees to third parties though, does it? Care homes wouldn’t be closing and care agencies wouldn’t be handing contracts back, if local authorities funded inflation rises as it is - but they don’t!

IMO, saying it will be “painful” doesn’t cut it; when it’s the most vulnerable paying for these increases through cuts in their care, pushing their lives to a cliff edge!

It's a traditional labour budget - what else did you expect? I expected it to be way worse to be honest. Im not a labour supporter - but even i thought they would be worse. They were always going to tax - i knew they lied in their manifesto to get elected - of course they would. How else would they get elected?

They don't have any the public sector is exempt.

What will happen though is care providers and gp practices will struggle causing further bottle necks in the NHS.

They are looking into the affects of the unintended consequences that become apparent as the changes are implemented.

Really? I’d be interested to know what business they run! My Dp contacted a company last night and they’ve already confirmed receipt and said they’ll be in touch by middle of next week with an offer…

@Papyrophile

Where to start with this? 14 years of Tory cuts to the NHS and this is the best you can come up with?

Tell me one of the lies because I keep hearing this, but haven't yet been told what one of them was?

No budget was going to universally popular, but this one does seem sensible to me. Obviously there was always going to be a problem trying to sort out the public finances and I don't think for a minute this will be a magic wand in that respect, but it makes sense, is properly funded and at least attempts to protect the most vulnerable. A breathe of fresh air IMO.

Ours is super niche.