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The NI changes are going to cost my organisation £1000 per employee

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flashbac · 01/11/2024 06:41

The NI changes are going to cost my organisation on average £1000 per employee, The lowering of the threshold alone is going to cost around £600 extra per employee.

We are heavily regulated with fixed income. We're a not for profit. Our customers expectations are increasing. We are now most likely going to have to somehow reduce our headcount now, and payrises for April are going to be off the table.

Just shaking my head really. Our employees don't deserve this. Hard to see how this isn't a tax on jobs.

The lowering of the threshold also means employers have to pay for more workers, because part time salaries are now dragged into it.

A lot of people reading this won't care. All I can say is this NI increase will also affect you. just think about Local authorities, childcare providers and other services. Do you think it won't affect your Councils services/tax bills, to give one example?

(I'm not a Tory bot btw, before anyone starts accusing me of being one. I voted Remain, don't support the Tories at all, can't stand Boris and his cronies.)

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Didimum · 01/11/2024 09:02

flashbac · 01/11/2024 08:32

I didn't know this so thanks. They need to extend this to charities and the third sector.

Small business (I don’t know the criteria) can already claim it back too, so there’s a limit to how many are exempt before the policy loses any impact in raising meaningful funds.

At the end of the day, and obviously this is my opinion only, a better economy, lower inflation and lower interest rates on mortgages means more money for everyone to spend in shops and on services etc, meaning better business for all and therefore more ability to pay and retain staff.

SundayBloodySunday · 01/11/2024 09:02

Op, when you said, " Our customers expectations are increasing," is there anything you can do to manage this and explain the service can't provide......

295bkq · 01/11/2024 09:04

If I had a business that employed people, I’d be selling it off right away. This budget was disgraceful - hit a minority of people very hard, kept the majority happy. I don’t know why people can’t see that.

Brainstorm23 · 01/11/2024 09:04

Didimum · 01/11/2024 08:30

NHS and public sector (so councils, among others) are exempt from the NI rise.

GP practices are not as despite providing NHS services they are "private" businesses.

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/11/2024 09:06

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How are these kinds of smart arse comments remotely helpful? It's because of business owners like OP that people even have jobs!
Honestly, the inverse snobbery on these threads is WILD!

PelicanPopcorn · 01/11/2024 09:09

lucette1001 · 01/11/2024 07:58

I wouldn't mind the extra taxes if I didn't believe the money will be wasted. The NHS doesn't need more funding, it needs reorganising. There are probably more bureaucrats than medical workers in it. Endless committees of inquiry taking years to come to conclusions and even then their recommendations aren't taken up. Immigration is in chaos which means more and more people having to be looked after. All the IT initiatives that end up not working properly. It all feels like a bottomless chasm which we have to pay for.

Sorry to disappoint but this is not the case at all - look at how far behind in spending on healthcare compared to the rest of the EU:
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade
NHS is doing a fantastic job with a horrendous level of underfunding.

How does UK health spending compare across Europe over the past decade?

Icaro Rebolledo and Anita Charlesworth use five charts to compare UK health care spending with EU countries before the pandemic.

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/how-does-uk-health-spending-compare-across-europe-over-the-past-decade

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/11/2024 09:10

Womblewife · 01/11/2024 07:40

There will be no pay rises going forward to cover these amounts , so again the working person will suffer. It’s just all been done in a backhanded way as usual.

All because they didn't want to 'raise income tax'. Instead they've just heavily taxed the person (employer) who pays that income, so the employee is still worse off. Slow. Hand. Clap.

Ncocta · 01/11/2024 09:12

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/11/2024 09:06

How are these kinds of smart arse comments remotely helpful? It's because of business owners like OP that people even have jobs!
Honestly, the inverse snobbery on these threads is WILD!

Yes I agree and read that comment with disgust. Soon people are not having avocado and lattes but flooding food banks when people are made redundant! It’s not a joke

it’s so disgusting people are rejoicing this is good news. Good economy means good growth for businesses not a race to the bottom for all. Tax the bloody multinationals dodging tax with UK profits, not the hard “working people”. Soon we won’t have any small businesses and only big brands

VioletCrawleyForever · 01/11/2024 09:12

It's costing charities £1.4 Billion

That's £1.4 Billion less for good causes

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 09:12

Nice of you to link Starmer’s image but you haven’t answered the question

If that document had said the highest tax hikes since 1993 then we would have had headlines pre GE not after the budget.

@Diaryfear

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:12

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/11/2024 09:06

How are these kinds of smart arse comments remotely helpful? It's because of business owners like OP that people even have jobs!
Honestly, the inverse snobbery on these threads is WILD!

I think it was a comment on the spending of these third sector organisations, not the OP's personal spending habits and having worked in the third sector, I agree they're not hard up when it comes to catering board meetings etc.

Plus OP has never claimed to be a Business Owner.

VioletCrawleyForever · 01/11/2024 09:13

Fairyliz · 01/11/2024 06:55

I wondered about this. If the NHS employs 1.5 million won’t the extra money Labour put into it go on increased NI contributions?

NHS is exempt

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:13

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 09:12

Nice of you to link Starmer’s image but you haven’t answered the question

If that document had said the highest tax hikes since 1993 then we would have had headlines pre GE not after the budget.

@Diaryfear

Edited

It sets out exactly what they planned to do and nothing they've done is different to that. If you CBA to read it, that's your choice

Papyrophile · 01/11/2024 09:14

295bkq · 01/11/2024 09:04

If I had a business that employed people, I’d be selling it off right away. This budget was disgraceful - hit a minority of people very hard, kept the majority happy. I don’t know why people can’t see that.

First, you have to find someone who wants to buy it!!

DH has been trying to sell his business to retire for the last four years. In light of Wednesday's Budget announcements, the potential purchaser list has got even shorter.

DragonGypsyDoris · 01/11/2024 09:16

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 01/11/2024 07:32

It is likely that public service employers will not have tobpay the increase in NI

And your evidence for this claim is ... ???

Forgottenwhatitwas · 01/11/2024 09:18

The tories completely fucked everything up and now Labour are being made out to be the bad guys for trying to fix it 🙄 fixing their shit show is always going to be painful.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 09:19

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:13

It sets out exactly what they planned to do and nothing they've done is different to that. If you CBA to read it, that's your choice

So everyone missed the highest tax rises since 1993 bar you?

The press included. You must be filtering a lot out atm, bar that manifesto of course.

Lamelie · 01/11/2024 09:19

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 01/11/2024 07:32

It is likely that public service employers will not have tobpay the increase in NI

Can you explain more?

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 01/11/2024 09:19

DragonGypsyDoris · 01/11/2024 09:16

And your evidence for this claim is ... ???

Ooh, how very challenging of you. Two question marks after the unnecessary elipses
From a vsm in the nhs.

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:19

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Beekeepingmum · 01/11/2024 09:20

One thing that made a mark recently was I heard someone say if you want to raise a billon you need to increase the tax on a million people by £1000. Therefore to raise 20bn you need to do so to 20 million people. Of course it will effect quite a lot of people. It doesn't help that the tories had a give away budget for their last one to try and get more votes.

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 01/11/2024 09:20

It is going to cause some pain, I'm sure, but not to Local Authorities (as you OP states) or the NHS/schools, as public sector employers will get a rebate.

Will local authorities’ social services and ICBs get an uplift from government for all the careworkers they fund indirectly such as respite services, agencies for domiciliary care and care homes - or will the services to those people just be cut, because local authorities and ICBs can’t fund these increases by shaking the magic money tree?

Diaryfear · 01/11/2024 09:21

DragonGypsyDoris · 01/11/2024 09:16

And your evidence for this claim is ... ???

Umm, that the budget specifically says the NHS and other public sector employers are exempt....

Slimmingtime · 01/11/2024 09:21

Fairyliz · 01/11/2024 06:55

I wondered about this. If the NHS employs 1.5 million won’t the extra money Labour put into it go on increased NI contributions?

Yes, and all the pay rises given and the min wage increase. There will be sod all left to make a difference after they pay for all this. It’s just smoke and mirrors.