To be fed up of the political manipulation on mumsnet

[ZenNudist]

It's incessant and it's wearing. It's been going on for years and I'm fed up of the massive amount of tory party generated and lobbying content blocking up mumsnet.

I appreciate mumsnet is seen as a key voter demographic but a lot of the threads being posted are so transparently fiction.

The billion VAT on school fees threads must have been a mix of real people and tory HQ.

Fake outrage started immediately and now well into saying that with less than 4 Months of government and before enacting their first budget the Labour Party are apparently making a mess of everything and reversing the great gains made during tory rule. What great gains? I don't know. I saw one post trying to take tory credit for reducing inflation like that was Rishi's doing, laughable.

I also have seen a few fake scenarios for adverse impact of the budget on inheritance and small business taxation. Speaking as someone who will be adversely affects by increasing employer NI and the reduction in business property relief I still support these changes. My friends who are small business owners feel the same way.

Labour promised not to put up the main rates of income tax and employee NI. They were clear that measures would need to be taken to increase the tax take. They still are trying to drive growth because at the end if the day increasing the tax base is the best way of increasing revenue to the exchequer.

I know a lot of mumsnetters say they can't spot trolls or AI threads. I also think a lot of people will not spot the blatant manipulation by lobbyists and tory campaigners.

Tory party now playing a long game.

The Tory party is funded by the rich for the benefit of the rich. The rest of the middle, the poor, the marginalised have almost no voice and no one funding a political machine to work in our favour.

Shouldn't you just post political grandstanding like this on the politics sub?

Dressing obvious political manipulation up as an "AIBU" to moan about other people's political manipulation is multilevel meta hypocrisy! 😂

Labour are failing - it’s been an abysmal start and it’s so typical of a Labour supporter to blame everyone else for this unfolding car crash rather than take responsibility for it themselves. Absolutely classic gas lighting. Every time they lose the argument they scream bot - on repeat,

Some of the stuff I've seen would curl your hair. People arguing that we should shoot asylum seekers, lock the 'underclass' up in an open prison, there was one the other day on institutionalising the homeless.

Loads of love for Trump, Farage and other morons. It's like an overspill of hard right Twitter. You can't argue against the Tories in some sections or you get dog piled.

Years ago, MN was quite left leaning now it makes Thatcher look like a bleeding heart liberal.

I totally agree with you but I think it’s reform to. I believe in my heart that there has been dark money put at bots etc as soon as labour won to make it like it’s shit. Look at twitter I saw a news report that showed he was pushing trump stories but Kamala was being hidden that’s interfering with the election. The money from Russia I read that the uk have found out that Russian interference made them stories up about princess and the cancer they made up loads of scenarios before we knew the truth. I believe this is how they destroy the west make people untrust tge gov etc

"relentless attacks" valid criticism of a PM actions while in office are not 'relentless attacks'.

He is called out on here for many valid reasons such as giving money to his mates in dodgy contract, being a part of the Brexit campaign and promising a load of crap and many more scandals.

And no, the Cons were not 'undermined' at every turn sadly. If only they had been by the media we may have avoided some of their biggest screw ups.

Labour isn’t though because the rich wing press says so?

People see what they want to see.

I’ve posted on several budget threads in past 24 hours. I think the budget was poor. A real missed opportunity for proper financial reform.

But disagreeing with the Labour budget does not equal being a Tory. Despite the accusations flowing.

Yep. On every thread Labour supporters do this and now this one

If the Resolution Foundation and IFS can have a less than glowing opinion pointing out the pitfalls of the budget then so can mners.

I'm sure there are closed sites that are for only Labour if that's what's wanted

So anyone on the left does not resort to people not agreeing to them as being right wing or far right.

Me thinks Labour are not quite getting all the positive spin they were hoping from their budget so it must be all those people who do not agree to the left wing narrative who are to blame.

Thankfully many people have critical thinking and do not fall into the left is good right is bad narrative.

CoralReader · Today 14:31

It’s not my fault you don’t agree with other peoples views. Go live in communist china

If you have a time machine that could take her there, could we please borrow it to go back pre-Brexit?

Even Kemi Badenoch, in her webcast with Justine on Monday, listed Brexit prominently among the challenges the poor belaboured UK must now, unfortunately, struggle to overcome. Labour's issues don't recast the Tories as being either competent or ethical, in reality or in the eyes of the public.

(Edited as I somehow didn't get the quote to post properly).

Exactly this. People in the real world, as on Mumsnet, have differing views and opinions.

I have noticed a lot of labour party and now labour government bashing - perhaps people have very short selective memories.
I do think any post with a political lean is usually dominated by Conservative supporters who shout down any support of Labour policies often using passive aggressive you clearly too thick to understand type comments.
No idea if MN is used by political parties to win influence but it wouldnt surprise me.

As if by magic, and to prove the OP's point... along comes this post.
😂

It's really not, it usually attracts you're a bot post like this thread from Labour or insults

Really people need to accept not everyone has the same views, it's a public forum not a closed site for Labour only

I think it’s a little more complicated because most of the suspect posts are from new names and not long term posters. You can’t take that seriously along with terrible spelling, all caps and over complicated personal scenarios and personal attacks. These people are just grinding to a separate agenda.

There are left and right posters with healthy disagreement. You can tell who those are; people should be a bit more skeptical of a brand new name grounding out political posts.

Ummm I am a real poster. Do you have issues with others expressing a view?

There's literally 2 posters talking about having a farm. Not hundreds.

Well now it’s Starners turn 🍿

It's such a conspiracy
Call the feds
They are coming for pur children
The tories are mini anti- christs
Run, run for the hills

Yes, it's this kind of thing. It's annoying. I've held my tongue through the bloody VAT on school fees influx (constant messaging on that throughout the election and after), but when I saw the farmer and the doctor ones, I felt like saying something.

It's pretty easy to see the cheat sheet of issues to hit behind the post.

Another good way to spot a bot rather than the people employed to do similar is the constant engagement. If you see all and it returns about 3 pages of the OP in soundbite posts (rather than a more authentic conversation) then it can look suspicious. Real people have real lives to live and can't post all day long to keep the thread going.

I'm happy for people to disagree with me. Mumsnet is a broad church. I've been here a long time and you see the rise and decline of different trends in external influences. You have to be a bit savvy that you might be replying to a fake OP but there are still real people posting too and hopefully have an interesting chat. The current tory trend is tedious in the extreme.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about OP. If anything, I would say it's Labour bots taking over MN! Anyone that dares to criticise Labour/left wing policies gets shouted at for being a Tory bot within no more than five posts. But MN has always been left-wing/Labour.

Labour have just discovered the absence of a money tree 🌳

I am sick to death that just because I have a different opinion to poster like you, I must be a Tory Bot.

I don't agree with VAT on schools, the more that has come out the less I agree with it. Eton etc will be in line for refunds on major projects but small independents will close. I have no children. It does not affect me.

I do not agree with the employer NI rise or the fact that it is now due from £5,000, or the removal of IHT from farms - This doesn't affect me either.

I dislike that Labour have spent the last few years claiming to bring a different type of politics, a honest 'grown-up' politics, but once in power have shown themselves to be no better.

Are you saying you don’t believe the thread from the dr and farmer? Just because it doesn’t support your view. It’s astounding op. Those threads would be taken down. I just don’t agree at all.

Can you really not see this op?

The general insults and attacks re being a bot are madness