To be fed up of the political manipulation on mumsnet

[ZenNudist]

It's incessant and it's wearing. It's been going on for years and I'm fed up of the massive amount of tory party generated and lobbying content blocking up mumsnet.

I appreciate mumsnet is seen as a key voter demographic but a lot of the threads being posted are so transparently fiction.

The billion VAT on school fees threads must have been a mix of real people and tory HQ.

Fake outrage started immediately and now well into saying that with less than 4 Months of government and before enacting their first budget the Labour Party are apparently making a mess of everything and reversing the great gains made during tory rule. What great gains? I don't know. I saw one post trying to take tory credit for reducing inflation like that was Rishi's doing, laughable.

I also have seen a few fake scenarios for adverse impact of the budget on inheritance and small business taxation. Speaking as someone who will be adversely affects by increasing employer NI and the reduction in business property relief I still support these changes. My friends who are small business owners feel the same way.

Labour promised not to put up the main rates of income tax and employee NI. They were clear that measures would need to be taken to increase the tax take. They still are trying to drive growth because at the end if the day increasing the tax base is the best way of increasing revenue to the exchequer.

I know a lot of mumsnetters say they can't spot trolls or AI threads. I also think a lot of people will not spot the blatant manipulation by lobbyists and tory campaigners.

Tory party now playing a long game.

The Tory party is funded by the rich for the benefit of the rich. The rest of the middle, the poor, the marginalised have almost no voice and no one funding a political machine to work in our favour.

Every one always thinks that.

I think it’s a very left wing site that too heavily moderated.

But come on .. if you say you are a Tory or Reform supporter you get accused of being a racist.

And I agree there are Tory AND Labour lobbyists on here.

But in honestly - the people that get the most shit on here are Christian’s. The amount of scorn that’s dished out to people who believe in Christianity it’s appalling and wouldn’t be allowed to happen to other faiths.

MN is anti British and Anti Christian = Left leaning

In the Midlands, some people campaigned for Brexit on the grounds that it would be easier for non-EU migrants to join their families in the UK. There was a lot of support for Brexit in the Asian communities in the Midlands as a result.

I think there was a good reason not to get involved in that debate though; this migration wasn't going to be affected directly by Brexit one way or the other and the Remain campaign - on the whole - tried to stick to the truth unlike their opponents.

I tend to not post on those things I think are fake. Recently I put in a short comment against my better judgement. I do the same with normal trolls. I'm loathe to waste my time and perpetuate the thread.

On this thread I'd expect the lobbyists to jump on with the real posters.

I think a lot of posters are in denial about the level of manipulation we are subject to on mumsnet. There are also those who don't recognise the bias of the right-wing press.

I actually felt glad Labour didn't get in in 2019. If Jeremy Corbyn had done what Sunak did with Furlough they would gave tarred and feathered him and held him responsible for destroying the futures of our youth.

Mmm, not sure - just differences of opinion?? I do think a lot of MNetters must live in London or South east though, given the amount of them using private schools, claiming that £100k barely goes anywhere these days, and declaring that VAT on school fees is against ‘human rights’ …

I don't think Tories and Reform voters are racist, I think they are either very wealthy and selfish or alternatively they're fucking morons who are easy to manipulate and deceive if you know which buttons to press. There are obviously a lot more of the latter than the former.

Take immigration for example. Only a fucking idiot is going to believe arguments that a country the size of the UK is already "full up" or that it's possible for an immigrant to "take their job." It doesn't take a genius to work out that a country's labour market and its demand for labour tends to be in proportion to the size of it's population. Immigrants don't just turn up supplying labour, they turn up demanding goods and services too. Which is pretty obvious to all but the stupidest among us.

I agree with you about the bigotry about Christianity but that's a whole other can of worms!

I think mumsnet is quite representative of the wider UK. We seem to get people from all walks of life.

All the people saying how much left wing posting they see on here (I don't but maybe not looking hard enough).

I'm am NOT saying that mumsnetters must all think the government is doing a spiffing job (how would we even know in these early days?). I'm particularly objecting to the "must think we are stupid" very obvious Tory HQ posts with no semblance of real person, just fake stories made up to sway opinion.

Harder to spot or stop are the shills who post pro-Tory (or pro-labour). I suspect there are a few on this thread.

Equally, if Labour are doing it they should stop as well, but they don't have the same funds. Not so many rich people looking to bankroll a change of government.

Isn’t then an irony for these voters that pro Brexit campaigners targetted them and second generation immigrants who had family from Commonwealth countries and weee aggrieved with the visa system and the EU arrangements. Pretty good proof that Brexit wasn’t really anti immigration for many who backed it. It was pro cheap labour and lower employment standards, both of which the Conservatives delivered at record levels.

I can remember a Channel 4 debate from Leicester prior to Brexit and I was surprised at the number of Asian participants who held that view. I did wonder how that would play out with the people believed that Brexit would stop all immigration.

I have always said that the extreme left and the extreme right must meet up somewhere around the back!
The MN has acceptable views, if one asks a genuine question that is slightly off piste the Report button is hot

During the Covid 'revelations' called Partygate the same accusations against other parties, notably Beergate, were quietly allowed to sink.

I have always thought I was in a nest of woke left mumsnetters and am a lone Tory voice actually rather than the post on this thread the other way. I don't pay school fees any more but it affects my grandchildren and I feel very strongly about the issue and hope the litigation is won. If Labour voters who like the policy want to post they can too.

I think MN Is fairly free even in the pandemic when 90% of people and Labour and Tory parties supported furlough and lockdowns those of us like I am who were utterly against that were allowed to post.

@ZenNudist , assuming you are not from Labour Party HQ and we don’t know but let’s assume you’re genuine and that all the overwhelmingly left wing commentators are also genuine I would say this.
I’m sorry you find it so difficult that not everyone agrees with you but that’s just how it is. There are many people who educate their children privately and of course they will comment on this. Ms Reeves budget has not been particularly well received even The Guardian wasn’t that complimentary. I’m very concerned about its inflationary potential.
There is a phenomenon I’ve noticed where some middle class, university educated people simply can’t compute that others don’t think as they do.
Several years ago one of my DILs was at a party and mentioned that she’d voted for BREXIT, the room fell about laughing. She wasn’t joking, it took them some time to believe her.
Outside the right on Socialist bubble lots and lots of people don’t think like you do and they have just as much right to express their views as you do.

There is a phenomenon I’ve noticed where some middle class, university educated people simply can’t compute that others don’t think as they do.

This is a very strange and interesting phenomena, for a surprising number going to university seems to make them less able to understand other people's POV.

Oh yes.

Always knew Starmer and Labour was going to get hammered relentlessly by the Tory press.

And by the Labour left.

I'm very impressed by Starmer's willingness to push through policies that send the Mail and the Torygraph into meltdown. I actually celebrate the mass outbreak of whining on mumsnet.

Hope they just keep going with it.

What pisses me off is that the press and public hold the Labour Party and its politicians (and other parties) to a much higher standard than the Tories.

During the Scottish independence referendum campaign Mumsnet had many unionist bots who were in the boards daily peddling the unionist line.

It put me off and I stopped using the site for a couple of years.

They were obviously paid/bots as they left after the vote.

But in fairness that’s comes from Labour. They have spent alot of time campaigning on the fact that they do have higher standards than the Tories.

So I understand that the press and public hold them to that higher standard.

It is SO weird. Every single time anybody centrist or right wing or even just anti Labour (anyone who used to be pro Labour in particular) speaks up it's like the radicalised far left who abound on here cannot bear to actually believe that there are milliions and millions of people who agree with them - and have to pretend it's a bot, or a shill or whatever they wish was true.

The radicalised far left really cannot bear anyone having opinions that they disagree with. When all the slurs fail, they go to denying autonomy and pretending anyone who disagrees with them is not a real person with real beliefs who is perfectly entitled to them.

Starmer only got 9 million votes out of a possible 46 million. And still the radicalised far left refuse to see that their beliefs are not in the majority.

People are entitled to disagree with you. This site is not a safe space for radicalised far left extremists, however much you wish it was.

Agree.

Plus looking at polls a fair chunk are pissed off with Labour, but those pp believe mn would be devoid of any of the same, why? It’s not a safe space for pro Labour. They also think it’s the press and ‘higher standards’ stuff when many just think they are doing a poor job.

You can't even get some people to admit that Labour commissioned a report a few years ago and their OWN REPORT said that removing the fuel tax would cause 4000 elderly deaths - and then they went ahead and did it anyway. Apparently that's unfair criticism.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/winter-fuel-raid-could-kill-4000-pensioners/

All the gifts and money Starmer's gotten are just fine because if one side are allowed to be greedy, corrupt liars so are Labour.

And now many small businesses and independent farms feel under fire and are speaking up about it - but they must just be paid bots too.

It's all in people's imagination, Starmer, who got in on a very small minority, is the most beloved person ever and nobody has any valid fears, concerns or opinions about his behaviour or his party. Anyone who claims otherwise is just a paid shill.

Ah yes, The Telegraph, that bastion of impartial reporting.

Ah yes, denial of very easily verified factual evidence because you can't bear the reality that not everything the Telegraph posts is untrue.

Thank you, sincerely, for proving my point.

Most people fundamentally don't agree with Labour's approach and ethos. This is why they have been in power far less often than the Tories and when they have got in it's either been by default (Starmer) or because they rebranded (New Labour). The lefties hate it, but the majority of the population are very wary and sceptical about the high taxation high spend model.

Personally I feel like we have systematic and deep rooted issues as a country that no political party can solve. We spend far too much on public services, have a horrific level of debt and yet people still believe that they should be entitled to fantastic healthcare, education and social care. Until we wake up and realise that everything has to be paid for then no government is going to be popular.

I think Labour will particularly suffer though because they pretend that they can tax themselves out of this mess and worse still, that the tax can be raised in a relatively painless way for the general population by avoiding an increase in direct taxation. This is both naive and incredibly damaging to the economy. They don't care though, as long as they can keep the narrative going that normal 'working' people don't actually have to contribute more to the expensive services they are demanding then they think they can keep this shit show on the road.

Because they said they were better! Labour hold themselves up as being morally superior to Tories and can't bear y
to face the fact that they aren't