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I'm unbelievably ill informed and stupid.

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Lola247 · 31/10/2024 10:58

Can anyone explain the budget to me in simple terms please?

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MagdaLenor · 31/10/2024 13:03

Fightingfat · 31/10/2024 12:12

God, at what point to labour fans stop blaming the tories to justify labours shit show. I mean cmon. It’s cringe now. The whole yes it’s very bad but it’s their fault is just bullshit we are in austerity on steroids and I categorically assure you it will make fuck all improvements, the money will be swallowed up and we will all be poorer, in fact I’d bet good money on it.

But when that plays out, inflation rises, costs rises, growth stagnates, the nhs stays as shit as it is, you can bleat it isn’t labours fault it’s all those nasty tories.

Cringeworthy.
Not "cringe", that term is so misused.
Anyway. 14 years of Conservatives, somehow things have to get sorted and it's not going to be pain free.

HarkALark · 31/10/2024 13:06

"There will be higher taxes if you make profit from unearned income like shares, property sales or through inheritance."

Sad for them. Maybe they can buy less avocados or takeaway coffees? Maybe take in some washing?

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 31/10/2024 13:06

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 11:43

They also found that the Tories had left government finances in shambles and they now have to find funds somewhere.

Exactly this. Everyone seems to conveniently forget this part.

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 31/10/2024 13:09

HarkALark · 31/10/2024 13:06

"There will be higher taxes if you make profit from unearned income like shares, property sales or through inheritance."

Sad for them. Maybe they can buy less avocados or takeaway coffees? Maybe take in some washing?

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😂😂😂

Best comment so far!

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:10

cardibach · 31/10/2024 11:41

They didn’t lie. The only commitment they made was no increase to income tax or employee NI. The country is in a mess. Money has to come from somewhere. For some reason ( 🧐) the media is being very negative, but the stock market and the Federation of Small business (for a start) are very positive about it.

They lied. DH and I have worked all our lives, and DC now work too. If we die, DC will have tax to pay on the amounts we've saved in our pensions throughout our lives. That's taxing working people, on money they've earned and saved, for the benefit of themselves and their families. Kind of wish I'd spunked more on holidays and cars, instead of making do and saving.

FelixtheAardvark · 31/10/2024 13:11

First, I am not a Labour voter, but I think it was a remarkably good budget in the circumstances and certainly better for the country than any delivered by the previous Tory Chancellors.

As proof, the markets like it and (as Truss and her Chancellor found out) that's all that matters.

As for "Labour lied", just remember party election manifestos are not documents sworn upon oath and circumstances alter cases.

For the first time in a long time, I am starting to feel optimistic.

DaniMontyRae · 31/10/2024 13:11

NigelHarmansNewWife · 31/10/2024 12:34

They discovered a £22bn hole in the public finances once they got into office.

Labour can't have been doing a very good job in Opposition if they didn't realise this. Shows how little they held the government to account.

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 13:13

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:10

They lied. DH and I have worked all our lives, and DC now work too. If we die, DC will have tax to pay on the amounts we've saved in our pensions throughout our lives. That's taxing working people, on money they've earned and saved, for the benefit of themselves and their families. Kind of wish I'd spunked more on holidays and cars, instead of making do and saving.

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FeelTheRush · 31/10/2024 13:13

Catza · 31/10/2024 11:21

Autumn Budget 2024: Martin Lewis analyses what it means

He is also on ITV tonight (?8pm) to talk about it.

Just read this and ignore the rest of the histrionic bullshit from the financially illiterate

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:13

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 11:43

They also found that the Tories had left government finances in shambles and they now have to find funds somewhere.

You mean like Labour did when the Conservatives took over in 2010? Remember how quickly everyone told them to stop blaming Labour and just get on with fixing it? Right back acha, Labour.

Hoppinggreen · 31/10/2024 13:13

Lola247 · 31/10/2024 10:58

Can anyone explain the budget to me in simple terms please?

Labour hate anyone who isn't either poor or a Public Sector worker
Thats basically it

sharpclawedkitten · 31/10/2024 13:13

cardibach · 31/10/2024 11:41

They didn’t lie. The only commitment they made was no increase to income tax or employee NI. The country is in a mess. Money has to come from somewhere. For some reason ( 🧐) the media is being very negative, but the stock market and the Federation of Small business (for a start) are very positive about it.

Also they need to find billions to compensate people affected by the Post Office scandal and, even more so, the infected blood scandal.

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 13:13

DaniMontyRae · 31/10/2024 13:11

Labour can't have been doing a very good job in Opposition if they didn't realise this. Shows how little they held the government to account.

Serious question: are shadow ministers allowed to view detailed budgets and confidential government documents?

Delorie · 31/10/2024 13:14

DaniMontyRae · 31/10/2024 13:11

Labour can't have been doing a very good job in Opposition if they didn't realise this. Shows how little they held the government to account.

That's some ridiculous gymnastics to avoid blaming the Tories for years and years of financial fuck up and gross mismanagement. They knew what a mess they were leaving and didn't give a toss about it.

Regrowth is NOT going to be painless.

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:15

cardibach · 31/10/2024 12:16

At what point? Somewhere more than 100 and some odd days for sure!
Whose fault do you think it is this close to the election and before the first Labour budget in 14years even gets time to be enacted? You make yourself look pretty foolish with that sort of comment.
We aren’t in austerity either. Large cash sums were promised for the NHs and education. Did you even listen? And austerity was the Tories, so if you think that’s the problem (and in that we can agree) then it’s definitely down to the Tories that we are in this mess. At least be consistent.

Public services might not be in austerity, but everyone else is. Public services are still as shocking as they were when they were funded by Labour the last time, despite having had better funding then, apparently.

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:15

KimberleyClark · 31/10/2024 12:17

They’ve been in power four months. Exactly how long did you think it would take them to sort out the mess resulting from 14 years of a Tory shitshow?

Dunno, how long did we give the Conservatives when they took over from Labour the last time, having gone from a financial surplus to "no money left"?

Kosenrufugirl · 31/10/2024 13:16

My family (2 working adults 2 children) are better off by £39 per year as per the Guardian calculator. This is all I care about

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 13:16

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:15

Public services might not be in austerity, but everyone else is. Public services are still as shocking as they were when they were funded by Labour the last time, despite having had better funding then, apparently.

What does this even mean?

I have lived in this country since 2011 and I can tell you that everything here has gone way downhill since that time. It's really sad.

Grmumpy · 31/10/2024 13:17

i don’t understand how your estate includes your sold house value..so two people 650000. But people also say two people plus house can be worth up to one million pounds before forty per cent inheritance tax.

YourAzureEagle · 31/10/2024 13:17

cardibach · 31/10/2024 11:41

They didn’t lie. The only commitment they made was no increase to income tax or employee NI. The country is in a mess. Money has to come from somewhere. For some reason ( 🧐) the media is being very negative, but the stock market and the Federation of Small business (for a start) are very positive about it.

I'm no labour supporter, but I agree that the money has to come from somewhere, and believe the Tories would have had to do similar things - I also don't think they lied, they said nothing really except about Employee NI as you say.

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:18

NigelHarmansNewWife · 31/10/2024 12:34

They discovered a £22bn hole in the public finances once they got into office.

No, they spent money they didn't have as soon as they got in to office.

DaniMontyRae · 31/10/2024 13:18

BigSmallFigBall · 31/10/2024 13:13

Serious question: are shadow ministers allowed to view detailed budgets and confidential government documents?

Don't know. But they don't need to. They see the Budget, they see the accounts for each department, they see every single announcement the govt make, they see the OBR forecasts. They can also use FoI, PMQs, Ministerial Questions etc, there is no excuse. Doesn't take a genius to add them together and see there is a massive gap.

That's if there is a gap and if there is, that it's down to Tory mismanagement. The blood scandal is estimated to cost 12bn so half of that black hole - don't think they can blame that on Rishi.

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 31/10/2024 13:18

A lot of bitter Tories on here.
It's heartwarming to see people not lapping up all the anti labour rhetoric from the Tory owned tabloids.

After what the boomer voting, and on a personal level, landlords, have done to me over the past year, leaving my mental health in absolute tatters, I'm tempted to just rename Labour 'Karma'.

YourAzureEagle · 31/10/2024 13:20

usernamealreadytaken · 31/10/2024 13:10

They lied. DH and I have worked all our lives, and DC now work too. If we die, DC will have tax to pay on the amounts we've saved in our pensions throughout our lives. That's taxing working people, on money they've earned and saved, for the benefit of themselves and their families. Kind of wish I'd spunked more on holidays and cars, instead of making do and saving.

Only if you leave them over £1m its tax free to that level, assuming you are married when the first partner dies....

2x threshold of £325K = £650 K

2x RNRB assuming a house is in the mix = £350K

Nothing changed apart from the pension - but pensions are primarily to support you and your spouse in retirement, not to pass on to children, draw down the money and enjoy it!