Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

810 replies

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
9
InThePinkScarf · 29/10/2024 21:26

As a lot of jobs which are NMW now are nursery workers, care workers etc, this will just mean redundancies or closures. Nurseries in particular are hanging on by a knife edge.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 29/10/2024 21:26

That means that I will be getting a pay rise, along with other veterinary care assistants, the admin and finance department, the pharmacy department and the cremation department. The veterinary nurses will be on about 50p more per hour and YOU will be getting more expensive veterinary charges for your pets.

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 21:27

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Barney16 · 29/10/2024 21:27

Minimum wage going up is great. But isn't employers NI supposed to be going up as well? I think small businesses may find both a struggle.

Mealplanningfatigue · 29/10/2024 21:28

We are going to have an influx or new parents on here in the next year or 2 crying over how expensive childcare is, that they can't go back to work and will lose/halt their careers as a result. It really is just kicking the can down the road.

Mealplanningfatigue · 29/10/2024 21:28

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 29/10/2024 21:26

That means that I will be getting a pay rise, along with other veterinary care assistants, the admin and finance department, the pharmacy department and the cremation department. The veterinary nurses will be on about 50p more per hour and YOU will be getting more expensive veterinary charges for your pets.

So we can add an influx of abandoned animals into the mix then.

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 21:30

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Elferbowton · 29/10/2024 21:30

Wages have been stagnant for years as employers generally increase their profit and personal income.
Of course business owners should reap some rewards but it's gone too far, my boss today loudly announced that somebody may have to go if the NMW goes up as he left his £3 million pound house and parked his £100 grand Merc outside whilst his warehouse workers are walking around with holes in their shoes.
Try to get someone to come and do your gardening or decorate your house, they want £30 and hour minimum and still some question £12 per hour.
At least if you earn a bit of extra money you can choose how to spend it, without it you can't.
As for those who say leave then I'm afraid these Victorian attitudes to employees have become the norm.

Mealplanningfatigue · 29/10/2024 21:32

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Hyperinflation here we come!

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 21:33

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

No point in the Treasury’s economists doing the detailed analysis to complete the impact assessments to accompany the budget, they could just pop on Mumsnet to hear about all the dead hamsters and grannies that a NMW rise will cost.

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 21:34

Elferbowton · 29/10/2024 21:30

Wages have been stagnant for years as employers generally increase their profit and personal income.
Of course business owners should reap some rewards but it's gone too far, my boss today loudly announced that somebody may have to go if the NMW goes up as he left his £3 million pound house and parked his £100 grand Merc outside whilst his warehouse workers are walking around with holes in their shoes.
Try to get someone to come and do your gardening or decorate your house, they want £30 and hour minimum and still some question £12 per hour.
At least if you earn a bit of extra money you can choose how to spend it, without it you can't.
As for those who say leave then I'm afraid these Victorian attitudes to employees have become the norm.

Think we might have similar bosses! I could write a book about him.

OP posts:
Horseracingbuddy · 29/10/2024 21:34

DrBlackbird · 29/10/2024 21:21

This ^^

After years of blood, sweat and tears through three years of covid, we are looking at the very real possibility of closing. That’ll be 10 people out of work plus knock on effect on other small businesses that we buy from including some who work out of their own homes.

I’ll be bloody gutted. Despite investing tens of thousands and years of unpaid work, we, the owners, have never taken a single penny out of the business, which serves our community.

I’m sick of Starmer and Co portraying every business as if we were all exploitive multinationals deliberately screwing over workers. This govt is killing us.

Let me guess - pub?

MikeRafone · 29/10/2024 21:35

Where there many redundancy in April and May 24 when NMW increased by 10%?

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 21:36

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Frowningprovidence · 29/10/2024 21:37

MikeRafone · 29/10/2024 21:35

Where there many redundancy in April and May 24 when NMW increased by 10%?

One of my employers cut people's hours rather than make people redundant.

cardibach · 29/10/2024 21:38

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

So we continue to subsidise employers by paying top up benefits? I think every employer should pay a living wage so the benefit bill drops - and then either taxes can be directed to services or they can be reduced. No business which requires government wage subsidy routinely is actually a viable business.

anxioussister · 29/10/2024 21:39

Winterjoy · 29/10/2024 20:51

I would have agreed with this until seeing the extortionate utility rises over the last few years. It's becoming unsustainable for small businesses no matter how efficient they are. Market readjustment won't be more functional efficient businesses, it will be survival of only the large (tax avoiding, employee exploiting) corporations with capacity to swallow losses.

Or they have to increase their prices - and people will opt to pay them (from their newly reasonable salaries and reduced tax burden in my economic utopia…)

Patienceinshortsupply · 29/10/2024 21:39

Small business owner here. I honestly don't think that the Government want us to keep trading. With the increases post covid in supplies, gas/electricity, insurance - and now more wage increases, we can't keep passing these on to our customers. We have a ceiling to our daily rate.

I feel quite sick to the stomach with this Government, fuck knows what mess we'll be in in 4 years time. Shame on every fucker who voted them in, frankly.

Intothewinenotthelabel · 29/10/2024 21:41

ExtraOnions · 29/10/2024 20:12

If you can’t afford to pay your staff £12ph, you shouldn’t have a business.

Stupidest thing I ever heard!

Horseracingbuddy · 29/10/2024 21:41

cardibach · 29/10/2024 21:38

So we continue to subsidise employers by paying top up benefits? I think every employer should pay a living wage so the benefit bill drops - and then either taxes can be directed to services or they can be reduced. No business which requires government wage subsidy routinely is actually a viable business.

So you are happy to lose nurseries and Pubs in your community?

Mealplanningfatigue · 29/10/2024 21:41

DownThePubWithStevieNicks · 29/10/2024 21:33

No point in the Treasury’s economists doing the detailed analysis to complete the impact assessments to accompany the budget, they could just pop on Mumsnet to hear about all the dead hamsters and grannies that a NMW rise will cost.

Do you not see how this is a form of printing money and not actually fixing the problem at hand?

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/10/2024 21:41

Bringautumnnights · 29/10/2024 20:16

Nmw is getting dangerously close to my husbands salary - he works stupidly unsocial in a manual engineering role - he's looking at moving to a nmw job for less stress and similar pay but better hours.

My husband does permanent nights in a manual job for nmw. Maybe your engineering husband could get a job with mine?

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 29/10/2024 21:42

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 21:23

Thank you.

You are more than welcome
I understand your perspective. I work for nhs, £29,000 pa. Qualified sn earn only 5,000 pa more than me.
Sorry to say "only" £5, 000...but, they have way more responsibilities, ie, drug error=death.
That's not to say they work physically harder, some do not 😂,

AlexMason01 · 29/10/2024 21:43

Patienceinshortsupply · 29/10/2024 21:39

Small business owner here. I honestly don't think that the Government want us to keep trading. With the increases post covid in supplies, gas/electricity, insurance - and now more wage increases, we can't keep passing these on to our customers. We have a ceiling to our daily rate.

I feel quite sick to the stomach with this Government, fuck knows what mess we'll be in in 4 years time. Shame on every fucker who voted them in, frankly.

thats part of the issue with society and capitalism there comes a point that as covid proved society will only need certain companies or big multi nationals, then so many workers etc,

but because of the large population numbers we have capitalism instead,

HairyPie · 29/10/2024 21:44

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.