NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

[ZoeZee]

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

It's combined with a NI increase.

On one hand it’s good and on another hand it causes so many issues.

will more small businesses go under as they can’t afford to pay? Will companies lay off some workers? One restaurant owner last night was saying he’d have to lay off some waiting staff. So some lose their jobs, the remaining ones are overworked, customers get a slower service. Or prices rise to pay the new wages.

and it all fuels inflation so their wages may go up but prices also go up.

but the people just above nmw who don’t get a pay rise also have to cope with increased prices making them worse off than currently .

dd works as a junior architect and is currently on £140 a year above nmw, with a first class architecture degree. Her boss is raging at having to pay her more, we are hoping she won’t be sacked. If she does get a pay rise it will only be up to nmw. All the education, etc seems rather pointless though I accept she should progress.

but working in the nhs still it affects filling roles like healthcare support workers who are now on the same as nmw (they used to be on more). According to the staff fb group lots are leaving as they think why have all the responsibility, etc of taking blood, cannulating, doing obs, working shifts if they can do shop work for the same money 🤷‍♀️.

Sorry, but no way is a Social Worker with a degree on MW!

Why shouldn’t someone who works in Tescos (for example) need a decent wage? Pretty sure that despite looking down your nose at all these workers your life would be pretty screwed if they weren’t there doing those things?

It will mean people working 40 hrs a week will get 23k do you really begrudge that, do you think people in nmw jobs are stupid or don't work hard. How much do you earn a year? Not everyone is in a situation where they where or are able to go to uni. Check your privelage

Experience is often worth far more than degrees- try getting a job in IT without experience. Non degree qualifications are just as worthwhile in some sectors and many workers on NMW will have degrees and qualifications anyway. I want my nursery workers and carers well qualified with qualifications that help their work not pointless degrees.Their jobs are hugely important and should be valued far more anyway.

This is what an average social worker gets paid

It will be interesting to see if the "Real living wage" changes.

I know that the real living wage outside London was £12 an hour and some companies prided themselves on being a real living wage employer.

But then they pulled out because they couldn't afford the new real living wage

Craft beer giant Brewdog abandons real living wage for employees - BBC News

How are you “hounded” be UC?

You get your payment promptly and if you do a bare minimum all they want from you is to pick up the phone occasionally and to accept some basic commitments?

Seems fair to me.

Exactly this. Less and less people will be going to uni anyway. The loans are set to rise and families can’t support adults not living with them on top of running their own households. More and more are just not going to be able to go to university and get degrees.

I was referring to the post above when a social worker job was advertised at 14 per hour

How much more do people with no qualifications expect to be given per hour?

Because if nmw is 12.21 then being a social worker at 14 per hour with a student debt and all those years of working suddenly doesn't seem very attractive. May as well work in a shop if there are any left.

So you don't think there should be a difference?

I think there should be a big difference.

Social workers are not on a MW salary.
Anyone who feels hard done by certainly can go and work in a shop on MW, as it’s clearly so easy.

I find the argument against paying people £12.21 ph repugnant.

Point is, I am at work full time. I should earn enough that I don’t need UC to pay me promptly.

Shouldn't expect any less from a website full of right wing high earners but this thread is depressing. Thank god the real world isnt like mumsnet where so many people look down on people working nmw jobs, or if they do they keep it quiet lol.

Their already is a big difference. But if you have a degree you have options that people on nmw don't have you can ask for payrises you can move companies. Usually jobs with degrees shoot up massively when your past entry level. For e.g. a junior dr wage won't be great but in 10 years it will have tripled. A minium wage worker will make no difference if your new or been there 20 years it's the same wage

No ultimately its society that pays - food bank use goes up, crime goes up, ill health and pressure on the NHS goes up etc..

We all pay more in the end if people at the bottom can't afford to live.

Birmingham City Council has declared itself bankrupt. Where will it find all the extra money to pay increases in NI and wages for bin men and other council staff? I agree that people should be paid higher wages but if the money isn't there, services are cut and Council Tax goes up.

This is fine if we’re talking about coffee shops, not so great when we are talking about vital services that have been handed over to private enterprise. Social care and childcare should be state funded, not dependent on business owners being able to squeeze a profit out of these services.

The government have raised it because higher wages lowers the “top up benefits ” bill.

While I agree some skilled workers should be paid their worth,I’m a cleaner,I work my arse off doing unsociable hours,I deserve to be paid a decent wage for once!

But it's not £14 an hr the average is £19.40 an hr that's a significant difference to minimum wage

People have killed themselves because they've been sanctioned and left with no money and no way to feed themselves. Often those the least able to access the system are the most vulnerable.

So carers, childcare workers, teaching assistants, none of whom will require a degree to do their jobs, aren't worth a decent wage?

If everyone on NMW suddenly decided to 'better' themselves by getting a degree and jacking in their jobs as cleaners, dinner ladies, childcare workers, hospital porters etc etc, we'd be screwed. Because their roles are 'worth' far more than many earning excessive salaries.

And who pays your wage? (presuming you're a domestic cleaner) Who do you think people will drop like a hot rock the minute they feel the pinch?

The post didn't say SW are on mw, it's saying there is now not much difference between MW and what a social worker would earn. In my council SW earns between 14 -15 per hour newly qualified,