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AIBU to want to report ex-friend to social services?

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basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 16:43

I would be greatfull for some input on an issue I'm struggling with. Met a friend through a common aquintance, knew her for about a year. She had a very different background from me, a bit rough, no dad around, young mum on benefits. When I met her she herself was continuing the tradition by being a teenage mum in social housing on benefits and not working.

Never judged or anything, she had a lovely toddler, such a bright boy. Said her ex (the child's dad) was physically abusive so not involved, she had got restraining order against him.

Slowly as we knew each other I started to notice things about how she cared for her kid, I'm not a mum and not sure I will be, but her boy was such a nice child, I would parent him in a heartbeat if you know what I mean, so I didn't get how she would not do a proper job.

I decided to end the friendship eventuelly, but I can't stop thinking whether I should alert the social services (I know she has been involved with them before and had to do a parenting course, so not sure how alerting would affect her, if at all).

Trying not to be too outing, my main concerns when friendly with her was:

  • Child wanted to be potty trained, but she refused. Child was crying and having breakdowns outside the toilet door, but she kept pushing for diapers.
  • Child was left in soggy diapers for a long time. Once went paddling in water and she left child in soaked diaper, he actually didn't even bother going to his mum but came to me shivering saying he was cold.
  • When I distanced myself as a friend she sent messages and pictures detailing how she forgot child's bucket hat (which I had gifted) and had no suncream, so he had been burning in the sun all day (don't have these messages any more)
  • I spent time at their place before play school sometimes and she would dress child in dirty clothes and told me she only bathes the child once a week at most
  • Her flat was very very filthy
  • She would tell me she didn't feel settled in her flat (brand new apartment building) so she would take her child and go out at 11pm, going on buses for hours and sometimes staying on friends sofas
  • Never watched her child, he got a lot of quite bad bruises from falling and running into things, had to wear a cast once
  • Constantly put him in front of her phone, even when he didn't want to

There are more things, but I get upset even thinking about it. The reason it's still in my head is because another friend said she'd seen her recently and you would not recognise the little boy, he's actually regressed and stopped talking and is very violent. Apparently the ex-friend describes it as the little boy is "abusing" her (he's 3 years old). She's also started accusing other people in her life about abuse and other things, to the point of having someone arrested for false accusations. She's also taken back everything she's ever said about her child's father and is now apparently letting him see him.

I guess I would want opinions on whether it's even worth putting in that I'm concerned to Social Services? Or are the points above so minor they won't bother? At the very least I would want her to get some mental health help, she doesn't seem stable to me, and it's such a shame for the child.

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 28/10/2024 16:46

Yes, why wouldn't you?

DurinsBane · 28/10/2024 16:46

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 16:43

I would be greatfull for some input on an issue I'm struggling with. Met a friend through a common aquintance, knew her for about a year. She had a very different background from me, a bit rough, no dad around, young mum on benefits. When I met her she herself was continuing the tradition by being a teenage mum in social housing on benefits and not working.

Never judged or anything, she had a lovely toddler, such a bright boy. Said her ex (the child's dad) was physically abusive so not involved, she had got restraining order against him.

Slowly as we knew each other I started to notice things about how she cared for her kid, I'm not a mum and not sure I will be, but her boy was such a nice child, I would parent him in a heartbeat if you know what I mean, so I didn't get how she would not do a proper job.

I decided to end the friendship eventuelly, but I can't stop thinking whether I should alert the social services (I know she has been involved with them before and had to do a parenting course, so not sure how alerting would affect her, if at all).

Trying not to be too outing, my main concerns when friendly with her was:

  • Child wanted to be potty trained, but she refused. Child was crying and having breakdowns outside the toilet door, but she kept pushing for diapers.
  • Child was left in soggy diapers for a long time. Once went paddling in water and she left child in soaked diaper, he actually didn't even bother going to his mum but came to me shivering saying he was cold.
  • When I distanced myself as a friend she sent messages and pictures detailing how she forgot child's bucket hat (which I had gifted) and had no suncream, so he had been burning in the sun all day (don't have these messages any more)
  • I spent time at their place before play school sometimes and she would dress child in dirty clothes and told me she only bathes the child once a week at most
  • Her flat was very very filthy
  • She would tell me she didn't feel settled in her flat (brand new apartment building) so she would take her child and go out at 11pm, going on buses for hours and sometimes staying on friends sofas
  • Never watched her child, he got a lot of quite bad bruises from falling and running into things, had to wear a cast once
  • Constantly put him in front of her phone, even when he didn't want to

There are more things, but I get upset even thinking about it. The reason it's still in my head is because another friend said she'd seen her recently and you would not recognise the little boy, he's actually regressed and stopped talking and is very violent. Apparently the ex-friend describes it as the little boy is "abusing" her (he's 3 years old). She's also started accusing other people in her life about abuse and other things, to the point of having someone arrested for false accusations. She's also taken back everything she's ever said about her child's father and is now apparently letting him see him.

I guess I would want opinions on whether it's even worth putting in that I'm concerned to Social Services? Or are the points above so minor they won't bother? At the very least I would want her to get some mental health help, she doesn't seem stable to me, and it's such a shame for the child.

What country you in? I would assume not the UK as you said diapers.

Bootoagoose123 · 28/10/2024 16:47

How long ago did you witness these things? I think in this situation I would make a factual report about the things I'd seen (as long as not years ago) and not hearsay etc. I've done lots of safeguarding training and we've always just been told to report even if you aren't sure, as what you've seen could be part of a bigger picture. I'm not sure I could forgive myself if I didn't speak up and he came to harm.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 16:50

DurinsBane · 28/10/2024 16:46

What country you in? I would assume not the UK as you said diapers.

UK, but english is not my first language

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15storeys · 28/10/2024 16:50

It's better to report and let Social Services investigate than not report and regret it.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 16:53

Bootoagoose123 · 28/10/2024 16:47

How long ago did you witness these things? I think in this situation I would make a factual report about the things I'd seen (as long as not years ago) and not hearsay etc. I've done lots of safeguarding training and we've always just been told to report even if you aren't sure, as what you've seen could be part of a bigger picture. I'm not sure I could forgive myself if I didn't speak up and he came to harm.

I think that's why I can't let it go, if I ever heard something had happened to the child I would be forever blaming myself. I don't know a lot of people with children though, so I am not sure what is normal parenting behaviour, and people seem to think social services will ruin lives.

Everything I mentioned is within 1.5 years. I think I might do an anonymous report to the local council.

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Womblewife · 28/10/2024 16:54

Safeguarding children is everyone’s job. Report this now - you can do this anonymously

username1478 · 28/10/2024 16:56

The main issue here seems to be the child's father being back in his life. His behaviour has regressed and he's being violent, perhaps because he's copying the dad's behaviour.

Witnessing abuse is abusive and he may be abusing the child as well. Please let social services know, make them aware that he's back in their lives after a restraining order.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 16:56

Womblewife · 28/10/2024 16:54

Safeguarding children is everyone’s job. Report this now - you can do this anonymously

Thanks I think I will. I was thinking i was overreacting because everyone else was just ignoring her behaviour. But I guess I will at least feel better in myself knowing I said something

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Youwerenotthefirstmylove · 28/10/2024 17:13

Report, there maybe no on else looking out for him. Social services will ikely contact his preschool/nursery and they'll monitor his behaviour and any marks/bruising.

TheYoungestSibling · 28/10/2024 17:14

I did once make a similar report. I was told that although they don't tell the family where the info came from, sometimes the parent(s) can work it out. I was willing to take the risk.

They won't tell you anything that happens but it's either new information to them or it helps to build a picture.

I would make the call.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 17:18

TheYoungestSibling · 28/10/2024 17:14

I did once make a similar report. I was told that although they don't tell the family where the info came from, sometimes the parent(s) can work it out. I was willing to take the risk.

They won't tell you anything that happens but it's either new information to them or it helps to build a picture.

I would make the call.

Ok, that is good to know. To be honest I would prefer she not know it was me, but as we don't ever meet I guess I am willing to take the risk that she works it out :/

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TotalEclipseOfMyFart · 28/10/2024 17:19

Oh, OP, I don't even know this family and reading about this poor little boy is heartbreaking. Please report because the info could help build a picture. Probably what you have seen is the tip of a very nasty iceberg, so to speak. The mother seems unstable, maybe some drugs or mental illness going on.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 17:23

TotalEclipseOfMyFart · 28/10/2024 17:19

Oh, OP, I don't even know this family and reading about this poor little boy is heartbreaking. Please report because the info could help build a picture. Probably what you have seen is the tip of a very nasty iceberg, so to speak. The mother seems unstable, maybe some drugs or mental illness going on.

This really helps. I don't have a lot of people to ask advice and any I have spoken to in person just go with ignore, ignore, ignore. They keep saying "well it's a shame but we can't help", so I seriously thought I was overreacting. I will take some time to write down in bullet points what I have seen and send anonymously to the local council, I found a page online that let's you do it.

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Astrak · 28/10/2024 17:32

An excellent plan. Retired Local Authority Children and Ftamilies social workers here. Please do the anonymous referral ASAP.
Thank you for caring.

johnson39 · 28/10/2024 17:34

I'd report it to ss you may save that little boy, if you're wrong so what , at least you'll know you did something.

CabraCadabra · 28/10/2024 17:37

Yes you should report. Why only now she's an ex friend though when you witnessed it for 18 mths prior?

TeapotTitties · 28/10/2024 17:41

It's shocking how many threads there are on Mumsnet describing clear abuse of a child, and yet a grown adult has to garner opinions on whether they should report or not.

Apart from how depressing that is, literally no thread in the history of Mumsnet has culminated in everyone saying "Nah, don't report, just leave it".

BlackToes · 28/10/2024 17:41

Talk to the nspcc if worried. The nspcc provide required services and can advise.

Whatafustercluck · 28/10/2024 17:53

johnson39 · 28/10/2024 17:34

I'd report it to ss you may save that little boy, if you're wrong so what , at least you'll know you did something.

Even if op is 'wrong' (in terms of abuse) at the very least the child's mother may need help and support to be a better parent to him. Reporting to ss is sometimes the right thing to do both for the child and for the parent(s). We were on an OT workshop recently and one of the women was being advised by other attendees to self refer to ss for help (she was caring for 2x ND children, and a disabled husband and not coping at all) because she wasn't getting support by other means. I agree that op should report.

DexysMidniteRunners · 28/10/2024 18:02

Mum sounds like she is struggling to cope. Please alert authorities or you will never forgive your self if anything happens

HornyHornersPinger · 28/10/2024 18:13

Your points will form part of an overall bigger picture which I'm sure SS will have an idea about.
Look up your local MASH team. You can do it anonymously.
If only Sara Sharif's neighbours/friends had reported what they knew...

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 18:27

CabraCadabra · 28/10/2024 17:37

Yes you should report. Why only now she's an ex friend though when you witnessed it for 18 mths prior?

To be honest she seemed kind of aware she wasn't doing a great job and seemed to try to change, it was only towards the end when I visited at her home that I saw it with clearer eyes. Some friends we had in common distanced themselves around that time and I did at the same time, in the months since I just haven't been able to stop thinking about them.

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User37482 · 28/10/2024 18:27

Poor child, reporting is absolutely the right thing to do. He’s been horribly let down by his mother.

basicallyperceptive · 28/10/2024 18:31

TeapotTitties · 28/10/2024 17:41

It's shocking how many threads there are on Mumsnet describing clear abuse of a child, and yet a grown adult has to garner opinions on whether they should report or not.

Apart from how depressing that is, literally no thread in the history of Mumsnet has culminated in everyone saying "Nah, don't report, just leave it".

I tried searching to see if anyone had posted similar, but struggled with the search function. There are people older than me who knows everything I know and are willing to just let it go, I honestly thought I was overreacting. This thread has been good, I will definitely report. In the future I will go according to my own conscience and report even if other people are playing it down.

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