Police officer cleared

[Toomanywars]

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

have not yet read the entirety of the thread. I do not trust the police and if a police car flashed me to stop, my reaction would be to drive to the nearest police station. But then I'm a white woman.

Having said that. As a black man, i probably wouldn't stop for the police. The outcome is often sub-optimal.

But i do feel that in this case the police were right, the jury was right and sad as it is that a family have lost a son, he was a violent criminal and if the police hadn't killed him, the chances are someone else would have. Or he'd be locked up for life.

From the article here's one of Kaba's drill videos. Gives an insight into the mindset involved.

It's in just about every news source, MIlletOver, but here's one tthat's not behind a paywall: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/chris-kaba-inside-story-shooting-london-streatham-hill-police-met-b1027691.html

Clearly you haven't driven an Audi Q8.

The irony!!!

"If a black man stops for the Police the result is sub-optimal?"

Well, if CK had done that he may be alive (in jail) today!

Honestly do people read back what they write?

Why is hard for people to wrap their head around the fact that a suspect might have a gun if they are linked to a gun offence? The armed police wouldn’t have been out otherwise.

To think that politics did not play a part in this , is pure naivete on your part.
The MET had to be SEEN to be extra judicious in order to placate the exact same White Leftist/ Black buck coddlers who try and use real institutional racism as a narrative to hide Black male criminality behind and the effects if it ( on the criminal) to gain social and financial clout if off.. pretending that they give one eff about Black people ( who they racistly/ self hatingly force team with Black people).
The judiciary, from the MET onwards have played a blinder.
They did as the race hustlers and Chris Kaba's family wanted, got his criminal biography stifled in mainstream media in order to placate the narcissism of the Kaba family and race hustling hangers on, got a exoneration at the Old Bailey whilst unusually ,, the criminal history leading up to the death of Mr Kaba , explaining why armed responders tagged the car he was driving was not allowed in court.
No room was left for the lying, grifting rabble rousers to sanely think that Mr Blake had been tried whilst prejududicing the name of Mr Kaba.
Only a red carpet was not rolled out for the Kabas.
However, like cream and shit, the truth was always going to rise to the top. Mr Blake has become a martyr (due to BLM needing to be more about sociopathy committed by Black males being exonerated in a way that they imagine sociopathy committed by ALL White people is, as opposed to sanctity, safety and equality for Black people per se), Chris Kaba and his family have been revealed as the controlling socipaths that they are/were.
I only hope that Mr Blake will be able to see himself as the person who had to be thrown under the bus in order for the Black and White sociopaths who take advantage of valid institutional racism to hide their ill intent behind.
He had to suffer so as the Kaba's cannot glean even ONE ill deserved tax payer coin for the death of Chris Kaba.
And the internal investigation will also exonerate Mr Blake.
Why? A good man cannot be seen to be unjustly and institutionally harassed , when he already has a criminal price on his head in the name of a dead criminal who preyed upon Black people.
Or do we want to run with the narrative that only Black male criminals are worthy of police attention and have no cause to want Black shottas off of the road?
The IOPC/ CPS actions were merely to placate those who are pro Black criminal more than pro Black .
A louder, but smaller group than Black or Other, but like a fly that revives after being sprayed.

Now for the REAL victims of police racism, please........

@Oblomov24Plus if they had arrested him and taken him back to the police station, he would have been released, because they had no evidence nor that he was guilty of any crime.

I doubt they would have released him. He had a balaclava in his pocket and gunshot residue on his sleeve. The car was known to have been involved in at least 2 actual shootings by the time police would have taken him to the police station for questioning - and they may even have been , at that point, able to link the car to the Oval Space shooting where KC is seen shooting on CCTV

You wouldn’t really say this facing an Audi being used as a weapon

This is utter nonsense and is not recommended at all for anyone of any skin colour or sex.
If you drive away from Police they will stop you. They will call in additional units and block your car and you could possibly gain extra charges and make a minor situation worse.
If you are scared just put your phone on to record the interaction or face time someone so they can see what is happening.

Don't come on a forum predominantly for women and tell women to be quiet.

For one so keen to see rascism you appear to be utterly blind to how misogynistic that appears.

yes i do read back what i write. Did you read what i wrote?

A young black man stopping for armed police is going to worry that he's going to end up shot in a way that i as a white woman wouldn't.

Given the circs, it was inevitable that once armed police were involved it may end very badly. As it did. Would the outcome have been different if he'd stopped first time of asking, and shown his hands? possibly. Impossible to say.

I'm not losing any tears over the death of a violent thug. I feel sorry for his family because they didn't make his choices for him.

I don't trust the police, but you have to always try to force the least-worse scenario when they are trying to stop you.

Bel Ribeiro-Addy is right - trust in police in the area is at rock bottom, and it will be the opinion of many in her constituency (where I lived until recently, and was living when this incident took place) that CK is a martyr having been 'executed'.

This is one of the bad outcomes of his being shot rather than arrested alive.

The police are mistrusted because they often DO treat young black people as guilty until proven innocent. I have had direct experience of this and witnessed it directly with young people I was working with.

However, there is also huge recognition amongst Ribeiro- Addy's local community that young black men, in particular, are victims of these gangs. And they want MORE attention from the police to help protect their sons.

Look at the havoc Kaba's gang (and he was a core member, a lieutenant - not a hanger on) created - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67_(rap_group)

At DS's school, in his year, there was a boy whose brother had been stabbed by this gang. There was another whose brother was in prison having been a member of that gang. There were mothers moving to places like Purley to get their teens off the estate where they were vulnerable to being recruited. The harm these gangs do is mostly wreaked on black people. And too many ofRibeiro-Addy's constituents are painfully aware of that.

post Everard the advice from many quarters was for women to drive to a police station.

post Everard the advice from many quarters was for women to drive to a police station.

I totally understand where this advice is coming from and I totally understand that there are a number of communities that are fearful of the police. However the reality is that if you drive away from a police officer this is going to create more problems than it solves.

An absolute disgrace that the poor policeman ever went to trial.

Now the BBC have just published a video that Chris Kaba had shot someone in a night club days before he was shut. His Audi had also been implicated in a shooting the night before.

@Locutus2000

"Clearly you haven't driven an Audi Q8."

How do you know I haven't? I have.

Would the outcome have been different if he'd stopped first time of asking, and shown his hands? possibly. Impossible to say.

Given this happens on a pretty much daily basis in London, (that is black men being detained by armed police without being shot) I think we can reasonably assume that yes, the outcome would have been different. Or do you think that if he’d been compliant when they tried to pull him over they’d have just shot him anyway?

You might have a valid point with parts of your argument but it’s very hard to take what you’re saying seriously when you suggest things like the above.

for sure. I have been stopped by the police precisely once in a stop that was ultimately stupid (of them) and i sent them away with a flea in their ear (sorry, too outing, and looking back completely hilarious to me).

At that time when i had stopped i kept my engine running and my window up until i had been shown both the police officers ID cards. They complained that i made them do that. Absolute idiots. But it was 40 years ago and i was in the army at the time (they were subsequently stupidly deferential to my rank)

But now? or if i were a young black man? I'd be panicking that it may be the last thing i ever did. I simply don't know what the answer is.

@EasyTouch
"pure naivete on your part."

No, I'm well aware that all you have written goes on, and plays a part. Of course its complex. I do know that. I'm not stupid, nor naive.

"Given the circs, it was inevitable that once armed police were involved it may end very badly. As it did. Would the outcome have been different if he'd stopped first time of asking, and shown his hands? possibly. Impossible to say."

Given the police officers had their body cams recording the whole time, they're not exactly going to shoot someone that willingly complied with their instructions are they??

The armed police are out and about on the streets day in day out and every single example of them using their guns is reported on. It's not exactly a common occurrence.

As I said before, the only reason armed police were involved was because CK shot someone a few days earlier, so their involvement and his subsequent death came as a result of his own actions, both two days earlier and on the day itself.

The stupid boy thought his "gansta" status made him invincible.

My early 20s black (mixed race) son has been pulled over by police in S London, v v close to this incident: he was polite, showed his licence, waited for them to check the insurance details, and rolled his eyes while he was driving away. And seethed.

But at no point did he panic that it might be the last thing he ever did.

Probably because everything was legal, he wasn't driving a 'wanted' car, didn't have a balaclava in his pocket, has no criminal past etc.

And as a pp pointed out: SO many black men are stopped by police every day and are NOT shot - so why would anyone panic?

Plus, I don't much care for driving in London round all those pesky 20mph little streets at 12 mph in a massive £100k Q8 or similar BMW iX. I prefer a smaller car, bombing along the motorway, more enjoyable driving.

Can you understand how it can be used as a dangerous weapon?, ie it’s driven at someone

The answer is dont shoot people, don't get involved in violent gang culture. If you go into a nightclub armed with a gun & shoot someone then it's likely to be armed police who stop your car & when that happens you need to co-operate with them & follow their requests. Failing all of those things there's a risk of being shot!!

At every stage Kaba made the decisions that led to the consequence. Shooting to kill should be an absolute last resort by the police & every time this happens it should be scrutinized but Kaba's actions on that night & leading up to it resulted in the last resort option by the officer.