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AIBU?

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to think that the mob of teachers currently ranting outside my window are a shower of b*st*rds and should shut the feck up?

44 replies

Oliveoil · 24/04/2008 12:57

AND they are all badly dressed to boot!

on a march my arse, just having a day off imo

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FluffyMummy123 · 24/04/2008 12:58

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Oliveoil · 24/04/2008 13:00

atm I can see a lot of dreadlocks, obviously the Student Rent-A-Mob contingent

lots of horrible coats and trousers

and don't set me off on the shoes

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CatIsSleepy · 24/04/2008 13:01

are there elbow patches?
and lots of corduroy?

Stix · 24/04/2008 13:01
Grin
Oliveoil · 24/04/2008 13:03

I can see children in buggies

I think someone is making a speach as the ranting has stopped

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scottishmummy · 24/04/2008 13:13

sausage-roll-munching-sandal-wearing-bleedin-marxists:workers rights i'll give them bleedin rights

how dare they have the tumerity to be badly dressed

oh in my day.....twas brown brogues and scaryy glasses

OrmIrian · 24/04/2008 13:17

I've always rather enjoyed marches and protests. Did a lot of it when I was younger. Got a stern look from a policeman once during the miner's strike in the 80s. Nearest I ever got to arrest. But it was fun, all that stuff.

Scruffiness is de rigeur.

casbie · 24/04/2008 13:26

£34,000 a year is not to be sniffed at!

harpsichordcarrier · 24/04/2008 13:27

can you see any corduroy jackets with leather elbow patches?
if not, I fear they may not be actual teachers

OrmIrian · 24/04/2008 13:31

When I went on a march with teachers a few years back they were all to man (and woman) wearing sports wear and cagoules . If only they'd said I could have brought my PLOs scarves, Amnesty t-shirts and patchouli oil.

sarah293 · 24/04/2008 13:33

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DrNortherner · 24/04/2008 13:33

Whya re they dressed so badly when they earn so much?

I earn much less and am tres chic

sarah293 · 24/04/2008 13:33

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LittleBella · 24/04/2008 13:37

Yes why are they picketing you Olive?

What have you done to them?

Oliveoil · 24/04/2008 13:56

lol, they are not outside my house, they are outside work

they have gone now, obviously some free biscuits and a brew going somewhere

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addictedtoharibo · 24/04/2008 14:08

Casbie - do you realise just how much work they do for that money? And not many of them get that much?

Yes sure - teachers higher up the ladder get more but the starting salary is about 18k outside london?

And the stereotype of teachers just working 9 am to 3.30 pm and having 13 weeks "off" a year is just ridiculous. Sure thats when they see the children but not when their jobs stop. They have planning, paperwork, meetings etc etc to do on top.

To put it in perspective a newly qualified teacher will be in that school by 8am and wont leave until 5 pm. Then most probably they will work all evening and at least one full day on the weekend. Yes they will have time off in their holidays but if they have a two week break I would bet on at least half of that being spent on planning.

Teachers who have been teaching for maybe 5 - 10 years plus (and stick with the same subject/year group)will probably have it easier. Saying that my mum who has now taught for 30 years plus gets into school for 8am and leaves at 4pm. She has parents evenings, bits of planning etc on top of that - hardly a doddle.

On top of that you now have the blame culture, parents complaining, suing etc to contend with.

There is no way I would ever become a teacher now after seeing friends have nervous breakdowns doing the teacher training year - easily a 60 - 70 hour week for some.

And no im not a teacher before you ask lol - I had a place but couldnt go through with it when I saw the workload. I feel horribly sorry for any teacher who is pregnant or with a young family.

Picketing outside your window though must be very very annoying!!! And yes I do feel a lot of sympathy/anger for the parents who have had to rearrange childcare for today - it must be a nightmare for some.

But I am just fed up of people thinking teachers are underworked and overpaid - not a general opinion that has cropped up on here today - but GMTV..well..what did i expect really lol

xxx

ChipButty · 24/04/2008 14:14

Thanks, Addicted. I'm really annoyed by this 'average' salary they have been bandying about today. They have counted Heads and Deputies wages. The Heads are in a different Union altogether. I am top of payscale and earn about £33K pro rata (I work 0.6 and today is one of my days off looking after our two young children).

cushioncover · 24/04/2008 14:23

Riven, you were right the first time!

scaryteacher · 24/04/2008 14:24

I was about to be top of main scale outside London when I moved abroad and had to give up teaching...I've looked today, and that would now be £29k, so NOT £34000.

ath - I'd been teaching for 5 years when I left, and I still regularly turned in a 60 hour week most weeks, as I taught 600+ students a week in secondary across 4-5 different subjects, so I had a large workload. It was always interesting when we had departmental meetings - I didn't really divide into 4 that easily!

Olive, my shoes and boots were always expensive as I never sat down when teaching, I always prowled around the classroom so I could keep a beady eye on what the little dears were doing, and remove mobiles, hands from inside trousers etc!

Blandmum · 24/04/2008 14:24

I was talking with my teacher colleagues (we are all NUSUWT BTW and have not been on strike) none of us were earning the 'Average' salary that has been bandied about. We were all classroom teacher with around 5 years of experience. None of us are near earning £30,000.

They have taken Heads, and SMT salaries into the calculation

duchesse · 24/04/2008 14:25

Teaching

Easy work, shuffle in about 9, rant a bit at some rows of sweet little children about your favourite topics, finish at 3, go home and veg, have lots of holidays

Or maybe:

Do 12 hour days 6 days a week, struggling to meet deadlines, targets, benchmarks, headteacher's expectations, parents' expectation, fill in enough paperwork to replant the Amazon basin, contact with poorly behaved high as kites little monsters whose behaviour is condoned and backed up by parents in bad faith and fuelled by sugar and video games until midnight, children go home at 3 to leave to carry with the equivalent amount of time you were in school in meeting, marking, preparation, sorting, getting resources ready, sorting out discipline problems, seeing worried parents, seeing ranting and violent parents, seeing community support people, seeing social workers, never taking sick leave b/c it's more trouble than it's worth, and eventually having time for illness in the holidays that actually occur just as you were about to collapse physically or mentally. Sometimes you might have time for your own children/ partner/ aged parents/ hobby/ cleaning (ha!)
Spend "holidays" recovering.

Be paid £27000 a year. Have govt tell you that you;re not worth even making your salary stays in line with inflation.

Conclusion: Vote with your feet. Byee! We only get one life.

Yes, YABVU

ButterflyMcQueen · 24/04/2008 14:26

are they all clutching holiday brochures

there's a lot of weeks to fill

Tortington · 24/04/2008 14:26

teachers get paid shit.

my son got a b in science Miss MB

Blandmum · 24/04/2008 14:27

Fan-fucking-tastic custy!

Well done that boy!

Have missed you BTW!

Tortington · 24/04/2008 14:35

feel i have mislead you - that was in a test - not gcse or anythng.

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