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Why did you not vaccinated you're baby/child

58 replies

Clocloxx · 20/10/2024 19:52

Just that really, parents who choose not to vaccinated their children what made you decide? How are you're kids now do they get sick often ? Any allergies?
I don't want this turning into a debate of why you should vaccinated you're child I'm simply asking parents why they choose not too? So if you can't respect people's decisions not to vaccinated please don't answer on this thread

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PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:35

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 20:33

Not sure how far my attempts to get you to engage your two brain cells will go, but let’s try…

No - I’m saying that if babies everywhere were dying from rotavirus you’d have grabbed the chance of the vaccine, but you didn’t have to do that, because so many other babies have had the vaccine, which is what kept yours safe.

No, I wouldn't. I wasn't putting my child at direct risk of that.

VivaVivaa · 20/10/2024 20:35

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:34

Wow. My comment has been deleted.

I repeat. It was on the NHS Website and confirmed by the nurse that the rotavirus vaccine was sending babies to hospital for surgery for twisted bowels.

Absolute disgrace to delete my comment.

The risk of intussusception from rotavirus vaccine is estimated to be between 1 in 50,000 and 1 in 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/rotavirus/about-intussusception.html). Your baby is much more likely to die from severe diarrhoea than vaccine induced bowel injury.

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:36

VivaVivaa · 20/10/2024 20:35

The risk of intussusception from rotavirus vaccine is estimated to be between 1 in 50,000 and 1 in 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/rotavirus/about-intussusception.html). Your baby is much more likely to die from severe diarrhoea than vaccine induced bowel injury.

Funnily enough, my child is the only child I've ever known to have never had a sickness and diarrhea bug. Ever.

leopardski · 20/10/2024 20:36

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:34

Wow. My comment has been deleted.

I repeat. It was on the NHS Website and confirmed by the nurse that the rotavirus vaccine was sending babies to hospital for surgery for twisted bowels.

Absolute disgrace to delete my comment.

Your comment was deleted because you told someone to eff off 🙄

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:37

leopardski · 20/10/2024 20:36

Your comment was deleted because you told someone to eff off 🙄

Because her comment was absolutely sickening

Raindancer432 · 20/10/2024 20:38

People vaccinated their kids because they remembered or their parents remembered the horrors of kids dying from the likes of polio, smallpox, hepatitis, measles, diphtheria etc etc. Horrid illnesses and people were grateful when the vaccine for them came out and there was a time where these conditions had nearly vanished. Those that couldn't be vaccinated due to actual medical reasons were protected by herd immunity.
Now there's all this BS about conspiracies/fake news that others state as 'research'. Unfortunately, it won't be long before the diseases increase to epidemic levels and kids start dying again. Not that it seems far off that sometimes.

No child should have to suffer or die from any of those diseases that we have vaccinations for. It's cruel and I can't believe any parent would go against decades of evidence of kids being saved just because of some of the rubbish they 'research'.

MathsMum3 · 20/10/2024 20:39

I always lol when I hear the phrase "I did my own research and made the informed decision not to vaccinate". What makes anyone think that their "research" trumps the years and years of knowledge and expertise accumulated by hundreds of medical professionals and biomedical scientists?

Candaceowens · 20/10/2024 20:39

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:36

Funnily enough, my child is the only child I've ever known to have never had a sickness and diarrhea bug. Ever.

Edited

Funny that, me neither. My DH catches everything and I am never sick. Guess which one of us was vaccinated.

VivaVivaa · 20/10/2024 20:42

It’s always the people who state ‘I did my own research’ that clearly have no idea about the difference between causation vs correlation or survivor bias.

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 20:44

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:35

No, I wouldn't. I wasn't putting my child at direct risk of that.

🤣🤣

But you already did put your child at ‘direct risk’ (in your own book) when you got your child on track with the rest of the vaccine schedule. The vaccines you did accept also have risks.

Not to mention the real ‘direct risk’ that you put your child under but not getting that vaccine.

I didn’t report your comment for telling me to ‘F&@* off’ btw. I was happy to allow it to sit there to expose the level at which you operate.

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:46

VivaVivaa · 20/10/2024 20:35

The risk of intussusception from rotavirus vaccine is estimated to be between 1 in 50,000 and 1 in 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/rotavirus/about-intussusception.html). Your baby is much more likely to die from severe diarrhoea than vaccine induced bowel injury.

Also, that's the website for the US. And as I've said, the vaccine was pulled twice, 7 years ago. It wouldn't have been pulled if the risk wasn't substantial.

I have no idea where things stand with the current vaccine as I've had no need to research that in the past 7 years.

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:49

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 20:44

🤣🤣

But you already did put your child at ‘direct risk’ (in your own book) when you got your child on track with the rest of the vaccine schedule. The vaccines you did accept also have risks.

Not to mention the real ‘direct risk’ that you put your child under but not getting that vaccine.

I didn’t report your comment for telling me to ‘F&@* off’ btw. I was happy to allow it to sit there to expose the level at which you operate.

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No, I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of direct risk. Injecting something directly into a newborn baby that has confirmed risk is very different from risking the chance that they could catch a virus from somebody else.

I have no need to respond to your attempts at insulting my intelligence, either. That actually shows more the level at which you operate, thank you.

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 20:51

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:49

No, I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of direct risk. Injecting something directly into a newborn baby that has confirmed risk is very different from risking the chance that they could catch a virus from somebody else.

I have no need to respond to your attempts at insulting my intelligence, either. That actually shows more the level at which you operate, thank you.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣
I retract my earlier comment where I said you had two braincells.

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:53

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 20:51

🤣🤣🤣🤣
I retract my earlier comment where I said you had two braincells.

With a law degree, I would beg to differ. I am able to research and think for myself based on the information presented to me. Or are you also arguing with confirmed NHS information? Please move along.

TreeCake · 20/10/2024 20:58

People that don’t vaccinate are extremely uneducated. Unless there’s a medical reason obviously. Absolute idiots.

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 21:09

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 20:53

With a law degree, I would beg to differ. I am able to research and think for myself based on the information presented to me. Or are you also arguing with confirmed NHS information? Please move along.

The few posts you’ve placed here highlight your inability to reason or to apply logic effectively. Your claim of a law degree doesn’t offset that.

Lawyers also usually try to construct an argument to back up their position, rather than telling the opposition to ‘F£&$ Off’. Did they teach you that as part of your degree?

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2024 21:11

With a law degree, I would beg to differ.

With a science degree, can we play Top Trumps?

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 21:12

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 21:09

The few posts you’ve placed here highlight your inability to reason or to apply logic effectively. Your claim of a law degree doesn’t offset that.

Lawyers also usually try to construct an argument to back up their position, rather than telling the opposition to ‘F£&$ Off’. Did they teach you that as part of your degree?

No, you're highlighting your inability to apply logic effectively based on what I've said. As I said in a previous comment, the vaccine would not have been pulled twice If the risk wasn't substantial. If you really can't see that, I'm not wasting my time on you.

Also, I don't need to construct an argument. I'm not looking for an argument. The information stands as it is.

DownWhichOfLate · 20/10/2024 21:18

Aren’t vaccines usually pulled very quickly if any doubt, then once deemed safe reinstated as quickly? That would seem the logical explanation.

nocoolnamesleft · 20/10/2024 21:23

Failure to vaccinate deserves the same respect as failure to strap a small child into a car seat: none at all, because it is child endangerment.

Fidgety31 · 20/10/2024 21:24

None of my children had any vaccines . They are all grown up now and were not sickly as children .
It was the choice I made at the time . And for the record - I am very well educated (postgraduate) so it wasn’t because I’m too thick to make an informed decision !

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 21:24

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 21:12

No, you're highlighting your inability to apply logic effectively based on what I've said. As I said in a previous comment, the vaccine would not have been pulled twice If the risk wasn't substantial. If you really can't see that, I'm not wasting my time on you.

Also, I don't need to construct an argument. I'm not looking for an argument. The information stands as it is.

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I feel like I’m arguing with a 10 year old. I don’t think others view you the way that you see yourself. Take a breath and try to understand what I’m saying here.

Hope you learn to apply more effective risk/benefit analysis and therefore make safer decisions for your child in the future.

PepaWepa · 20/10/2024 21:25

Amanitacae · 20/10/2024 21:24

I feel like I’m arguing with a 10 year old. I don’t think others view you the way that you see yourself. Take a breath and try to understand what I’m saying here.

Hope you learn to apply more effective risk/benefit analysis and therefore make safer decisions for your child in the future.

I know the feeling.

chipsaway · 20/10/2024 21:30

I’m a nurse. I didn’t allow the flu vaccines for my girls. They’ve never been ill with it and haven’t passed it on. I don’t agree with it.
They didn’t have the Covid vaccine either. They did have MMR however
and before I’m criticised I do prescribe drugs and I do research drug trials which I undertook before making my decision on all the above!

DownWhichOfLate · 20/10/2024 21:37

@chipsaway - that’s interesting about the flu vaccinations, I know they aren’t particularly effective, is that why you didn’t get your children done?

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