To say no to covid vaccine for DS?

[Clarabell77]

My DS10 has asthma - mild albeit a chest infection 14 months ago ended up in an overnight in hospital on a nebuliser/steroid and he’s had to have a steroid once during that time for another infection.

He’s been identified as being at risk and offered a Covid vaccine. I’m not sure whether to allow him to have it as I’m sure he’s had Covid quite a few times when we’ve all tested positive at home - can’t test him as he won’t let me near him with a swab. He’s had mild symptoms, even when ours weren’t.

He’s had the flu vaccine twice and taken unwell within weeks on both occasions so I’ve opted out of that one this year. Does anyone have any thoughts on the Covid one? Ideally someone who has actual knowledge, not from YouTube, I’m not a covid denier or anti vaxxer.

AIBU to not get him the vaccine?

@Hereforaglance

Give us all a good laugh.

the sheep would like to know what you think 'the scam'was??

I did a lot of reading before making my decision. Every instinct in me was crying out not to have it. Stupidly I went against my gut feel and had the AZ vaccine and developed Rheumatoid Arthritis. None of my children have had this vaccine, nor will they, including my youngest who has a plethora of health issues. Read about how long it takes to develop a vaccine, the licensing process (for others, not this one) and how much data is usually available before a vaccine is released to the general population. We still don't have long term data as this vaccine was only released 4 years ago. What we do have is much more short term data than we usually would due to the rollout to just about everyone. It's not worth the risk for me

Read about how long it takes to develop a vaccine, the licensing process (for others, not this one) and how much data is usually available before a vaccine is released to the general population

Do you know why it normally takes so long for new medicines to be released to the general population @Thisismetooaswell ?

Why does this always have to be about vaxxer vs anti vaxxers? Its really not……its about doing own individual research and making an informed decision which suits your family and their health needs. Risk vs benefit is key……stop labelling everyone who isn’t taking a particular vaccine as anti vaxxer…..their body, their choice and the same goes if you choose to take it.
Everyone is allowed an opinion and a choice based on that opinion, furthermore people should feel able to voice those opinions without being judged- are we really so naive to say that we’re worried about influence from either side, it’s insulting frankly that mumsnet would remove posts worried about the consequences- whatever happened to critical thinking and knowing or hoping that everyone has this ability? 🙄

@itsgettingweird

if you want it, try booking directly through the NHS Covid injection scheme. Locally the surgeries have been refusing it to people who are actually eligible, most have then just booked it through the NHS scheme. No idea why the surgeries have been doing this 🙄🙄

But tonsillitis is an infection, surely?

So a coincidence

Have you actually spoken to a doctor? Or his asthma nurse?

And I got psoriatic arthritis from a very mild dose of covid. Auto immune diseases are frequently triggered by a virus. A vaccine can also trigger them.

Did you read the book by the developers of the vaccine? Explaining how it was able to be brought out so quickly

Yes. But that's not my point. What I'm saying is that because it takes so long, and testing continues whilst the licence is being applied for, by the time a vaccine hits the public we usually have 5-10 years of data about it.

Rubbish

Again, that's not the point

I think the issue is that some people are linking to dubious sources of information.

If people don't want the vaccine, fine. But spreading disinformation to discourage others is not fine.

Funnily enough, I am watching an old episode of ER. One of the plotlines is that a patient believes AIDS is a "scam". Familiar, huh?

Not when myocarditis was the most reported post-COVID19 vaccination cardiac event, you're likely hood of developing it is 5.7 per 100 000 individuals after mRNA vaccine (from a Danish study) also what was scare mongering was covid the government pushed these vacancies on to people who did not need one, the risks of the vaccines are higer then covid itself, and not everyone recovers either from myocarditis look into the European sports leagues all the Casualties they have had since the vaccine roll out. Also I have seen first hand on what a covid vaccine has done to a family friend Roy butler. The risks are not rare and people should be fully informed especially before they put it in their children.

look into the European sports leagues all the Casualties they have had since the vaccine roll out

There have always been cases of sudden cardiac death in sports people, if that is what you mean. It is not a new phenomenon. I think there was a campaign for screening well before Covid came along.

https://www.c-r-y.org.uk/save-our-athletes/

But equally important is that people are reassuring its safety when there is no certainty of this? My point is that its up to the individual (and we should give everyone this benefit) to decipher what is ‘misinformation’ vs well researched facts and non biased statistics.

@Clarabell77

unfortunately that doesn't mean next time he gets it, it will be the same (mild & quick recovery).

@Clocloxx This statistic must be weighed against the risk of myocarditis from Covid itself. More importantly, it must be weighed against the risk that the myocarditis will become serious or have long lasting effects.

Above I referenced a study from J Amer Med Association, a leading peer reviewed journal, from 26 Aug 2024 showing that the vaccine risks are less than the risks from Covid itself, just on this measure. Never mind all the other long term impacts of Covid on the heart and other organs

I am sorry your friend died, but it was never proved whether or not the vaccine killed him if I recall correctly.

Research the risks (myocarditis for example)after having COVID
Then allow it.

From NHS Scotland, yes flu can cause tonsillitis

Sorry @Nanny0gg my screenshot didn’t upload

No - the standard vaccine development timeline might be 5-10 years but that doesn't mean we have 5-10 years of clinical efficacy and safety data. It can take years to recruit enough volunteers for phase 3 studies.
The covid vaccines were brought to market so quickly because of lot of reasons - ease of recruitment, trial phases being combined, expedited approval process because, well, pandemic. Scientists and big bad pharma across the world worked together and did something absolutely freaking incredible.

You clearly did NOT do any research.

Eloquently argued

Are you saying that nobody on MN ever says that?
And/Or that flu is a single homogeneous virus that affects everybody with equal severity?
And/Or that flu is a really rare disease that you might expect to catch only once in twenty/thirty/forty years?

I think by "trawling round at the end of the day" you are referring to the peer vaccination programme in hospitals where the vaccinators visit the wards to offer the staff the vaccines without them needing to leave the ward/unit as it can be difficult for them to get away. Quite shocking that you work in a hospital but have zero understanding of how keeping front line staff safe works.

If your child has no underlying health conditions and no-one in their close contacts is vulnerable, I suggest you speak to your GP practice with regards to why your child might be on the eligible list. Public Health don't magic up phone numbers and addresses - they have to be given them by GP lists or schools etc (if there is an outbreak of something).