To say no to covid vaccine for DS?

[Clarabell77]

My DS10 has asthma - mild albeit a chest infection 14 months ago ended up in an overnight in hospital on a nebuliser/steroid and he’s had to have a steroid once during that time for another infection.

He’s been identified as being at risk and offered a Covid vaccine. I’m not sure whether to allow him to have it as I’m sure he’s had Covid quite a few times when we’ve all tested positive at home - can’t test him as he won’t let me near him with a swab. He’s had mild symptoms, even when ours weren’t.

He’s had the flu vaccine twice and taken unwell within weeks on both occasions so I’ve opted out of that one this year. Does anyone have any thoughts on the Covid one? Ideally someone who has actual knowledge, not from YouTube, I’m not a covid denier or anti vaxxer.

AIBU to not get him the vaccine?

I would take all the vaccines offered.

My DD has Crohn's disease and we are offered these vaccs too.

She gets the flu vaccine each year but we don't bother with the covid one any more. She has had covid at least 3 times and never more than a sore throat and cold symptoms.

If a mutated covid emerges that is much more severe, we will re-evaluate.

For all people, in all age groups, the risks from the Covid vaccine are lower than from the disease the vaccine protects from.

Obviously, in a large population, there will always be some people who have side-effects from a vaccine, but there are a much larger number of people who are alive and didn't get seriously ill as a result of having the vaccine.

The conceptual problem we all have is that you can see the people who were unlucky with the vaccine, but you can't see all the people who have been saved by it.

The first time he got the flu vaccine he ended up with severe tonsillitis, he was very ill, so bad we had to take him to A&E as we didn’t know what was wrong. He’d never had tonsillitis up until then. The second time he wasn’t quite as ill but still sick enough to be off school, cough, wheeze etc. I don’t know for certain it’s linked to the vaccine, could of course just be coincidence, but it made me wary.

Please give us some citations to some of this proper evidence. Thank you.

I don’t remember this but if she said it, it was but one of her many lies.

PS And I generally support vaccines, including for Covid

The flu jab did not give your son tonsillitis?

seriously, step away from the internet and go and chat to an actual medical professional about your concerns, I think they could help.

I wouldn't give that crap to my worst enemy, never mind my own kids.

To be fair, given the last government’s handling of PPE contracts and the high likelihood of many of our decision-makers having investments in pharmaceutical companies or receiving massive donations from them (especially the Tory party), I don’t think we can just assume money is being spent on medicines and vaccines with public health always being the priority.

You are wrong but I take your point about professional healthcare providers knowing best, I used it myself against covid deniers and anti vaxxers. I think it’s just because he really had such mild symptoms with Covid there’s a bit of me thinking why bother taking even a tiny risk (which health professionals will admit there is).

No i did independent research that did not involve social media on.top.of that i used my eyes and ears and came to an. Independent decision

I am definitely not anti vaccine. We’ve all had our vaccines other than my reluctance over these for the reasons I’ve stated and I absolutely take the points put forward from everyone who has posted something sensible.

I have attached the definition from the Green book on clinical at risk groups to help you make your decision. (Systemic steroids are oral tablets or IV not inhaled steroids.)

Fair point - I was more looking for advice from actually health professionals on here though - I am ignoring the clearly anti vax/covid denier comments.

I know 2 youngsters with Long COVID, one contracted before vaccines were on the scene so can’t be linked to that. Their lives have been blighted, unable to go to school, live a normal life, it is horrendous.

I agree. I’m not anti vax, my children and I have had all of ours, except my children don’t have the covid or flu jab because I don’t think they are at a risk of either My friend is a very sensible paediatric nurse with a child. She won’t allow her child to have the nasal flu spray because of what she has seen while nursing

Asking questions and looking further into things and doing research via the proper channels does not mzke a person a conspiracy theorist my word mn getting better taking a vaccine because the govt the tv and social media tells you to or in some cases bribes you to makes you a sheep with no independent thought

I honestly haven’t forgotten, we lost a family member and knew people who passed away from it too. We all got our vaccines when invited for them, the only reason I’m questioning it for my son is that he’s had covid several times and it’s been a mild cold, passing quickly.

And will it be mild next time?

What is your definition of ‘research via the proper channels’?

My friend is a very sensible paediatric nurse with a child. She won’t allow her child to have the nasal flu spray because of what she has seen while nursing

Well go on then, care to share what she's seen? If she's ever worked in A&E, MAU or an inpatient ward she would have sure seen children with flu itself, although there's plenty of credible research and data on that so someone's anecdotes need not be taken as gospel. Anaphylaxis can happen to those children who have a previous unnoticed allergy, but this would be dealt with immediately by whoever is administering the spray- so be interested in what she refers to and with what frequency, ideally with some sort of credible data? Surely you know this is you're happy to post with such confidence on a thread from a parent asking for advice?

Asking questions and looking further into things and doing research via the proper channels does not mzke a person a conspiracy theorist my word mn getting better taking a vaccine because the govt the tv and social media tells you to or in some cases bribes you to makes you a sheep with no independent thought

I agree, plenty of people don't do this though, they just believe without question stuff they hear that suits their preferred narrative.

I'm friend with two guys and one lady whose teenage children died due to the covud vaccine. Ernest ramirez jr and Sean Hartman are two teenagers who died shortly after.

Also I know an 11 year old boy who developed issues with occult tethered cord after pfizer. He's now in a wheelchair.

I myself am vaccine injured. Look at the recent daily mail articles on covid vaccine injuries and read the comments. That will tell you all you need to know.

Also look at the covid vaccine side effect articles on pubmed/ncbi...a catalogue of global medical papers.

Thank you, this is really helpful.

Research the risks (myocarditis for example). Then don't allow it.