Labour planning to freeze tax thresholds longer

[Overthebow]

In the news today that they’re considering freezing the income tax thresholds past 2028. AIBU to think this is absolutely a tax rise for workers? I can’t believe they’d do this, they’ve been frozen for so long already.

I’m glad you’re bowing out truly. But clearly I have an opinion you just didn’t like being asked what should be a straightforward question

Blame Labour for making a mess of the answer

You suggested the p/s pay rises increased the vast shortfall. I pointed out that there was always going to be a vast shortfall.

I have no idea what I posted pre election but I voted fully expecting that tax rises in some form would happen and money would have to be raised somehow. I didn't expect the Labour Party to be be explicit pre election about how that would happen. Perhaps you need to look at the Reform Party's tax propositions and you might be able to answer my question. It appears that you expect transparency and explicit plans from the Labour Party but not from any other party.

And I asked you a straightforward question. You aren't answering it.

Yes, but it's dishonest to say that the vast shortfall is bigger than you thought when a) you've added to it yourself and b) you knew you'd have to add to it pre-election. That's my point.

I don't think that made it into the mix about the benefits of voting Labour. Apparently they were to usher in a new wave of honest policies, grown up politics, without corruption - and they'd govern kindly and remember the vulnerable and take great care not to fuck them over.

There has been some rapid revisionism over the last few months. Apparently everyone knew they were lying, that having the begging bowl out for fancy things was still on the table, and that, despite age uk's warnings about the harms about to be unleashed by the low threshold for wfa, that they are all very relaxed about that because they all have rich, tatty parents who spent it all on shit anyway. Who knew?

I think they said it was bigger than they thought it was before they settled the strikes? It was their first day in parliament they mentioned the black hole.
Strikes were settled later, because they had no choice. This will have been costed by them but was based on numbers not provided to them.

The IFS said they had the figures pre-election (or at least enough of them to know the extent of the black hole). And pointed out that Labour's maths was wrong at the time (they'd spent money more than once).

lol. Ace comment

It was their first day in parliament they mentioned the black hole.

this is there get out - hardly as if they could have gone through the books in record few minutes

and yes Torys did leave a black hole but its silly to think they/labour didn't know

Ok so Labour hid the information from the electorate to get into power. I recall a lot of backlash over the suggestion of tax rises with many angry enough to say it wouldn’t happen.

If as you believe they will raise taxes I doubt everyone will feel as happy about it. It’s incredibly dishonest

so far we haven't had a budget - what taxes have raised since labour came into power?

I’ve criticised them myself elsewhere. The ‘hardcore’ here appears to be Tories who can’t admit their Party fucked the country royally.

Apparently everyone knew they were lying

ha yes

I have no idea what they had been able to plan in detail prior to the election. I expected some form of tax rises and voted with that expectation in mind. I'm sure you'll know more about what other posters claimed re tax rises prior to the election since you're very invested in what people did or didn't say. Now, about the straightforward question I asked you...

It is bigger than thought for this and the upcoming period to spending review, because there were a number of unfunded policies. The OBR (who should have access to all the numbers from Government) have said that they did not have all of the information they should have done from the previous government, and therefore it is IN PART legitimate for Labour to argue that the deficit is even bigger than anticipated.

What is not legitimate is for any government to have suggested it can all be solved by growth.

@cardibach yawn- we can all read what the IFS and Full Fact had to say about the "black hole". Lie to yourself if it helps you feel better, but not to others please.

Anyone who isn’t a public sector worker was always going to be screwed over. Personally, I’m looking forward to the welfare cuts they are keeping which the Tories started. Bitter pills and all that. People were very quick to think they were going to get something for free with Labour and didn’t think it through. Productivity is already being hugely damaged - more than it was already - which is remarkable.

People who work for a wage/salary.
Not people who have a passive income.
Some business owners, but not all as their remuneration works in a different way.
Several people (including me) have said this already on the thread. Plus it’s pretty obvious if you aren’t playing games.

As per the post. People who pay privately for many of the things provided by public services.
Why is everyone anti Labour also so disingenuous?

It’s all over the place. But very clear apparently ;

It could be ‘some business owners’? Who knows

If they earn that all as a salary, yes.
That’s a very small number of people though.