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To think that releasing crickets at a gay rights conference, specifically to shut them down, should be considered a homophobic hate crime? Somehow these people are crowdfunding to do it AGAIN

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Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:03

The optics of having to fumigate a hall after gay people used it to speak about their rights being eroded should not be lost on anyone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13950839/Trans-activists-release-bags-insects-LGB-Alliance-conference.html

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

This is CLERLY A HATE CRIME - yet it's being reported as trans rights activists, not anti gay hate mongers, I can't really understand why not

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/suspected-trans-rights-activists-disrupt-lgba-conference-with-live-crickets/ar-AA1s9JHH

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ahemfem · 17/10/2024 21:14

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 20:30

£7,001 raised for hate crimes, intimidation and the squashing of public democratic debate

https://chuffed.org/project/115124-supporting-the-crick-kids

And animal abuse

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2024 21:21

ahemfem · 17/10/2024 21:14

And animal abuse

Ah yes something was mentioned about that on another thread.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/importing-non-native-animals

There are also potential legal issues relating to the sale of Livestock (Crickets) to under 16s too.

Honestly, there's a whole PILE of issues which are problematic with relation to what this group did.

But the response is 'but her emails'.

Like seriously.

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 21:22

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2024 21:11

I've also ALREADY posted this, but I'll do it again:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-definition-of-extremism-2024/new-definition-of-extremism-2024

3. Behaviour that could constitute extremism
Aim 1 (negate or destroy fundamental rights and freedoms): Behaviour against a group, or members of it, that seeks to negate or destroy their rights to live equally under the law and free of fear, threat, violence, and discrimination. Including:

  • Using, threatening, inciting, justifying, glorifying or excusing violence towards a group in order to dissuade them from using their legally defined rights and freedoms.
Aim 2 (undermine, overturn or replace liberal democracy): Attempts to undermine, overturn, or replace the UK’s system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights. Including:
  • Advocating that the UK’s parliamentary democracy and democratic values and rights are not compatible with their ideology, and seeking to challenge, overthrow, or change our political system outside of lawful means.
  • Using, threatening, inciting, justifying, glorifying or excusing violence towards citizens, in order to dissuade them from participating freely in the democratic process.
  • Subverting the way public or state institutions exercise their powers, in order to further ideological goals, for example through entryism, or by misusing powers or encouraging others to do so.
  • Using, threatening, inciting, justifying, glorifying or excusing violence towards public officials including our armed forces, police forces and members of local, devolved or national legislatures, in order to dissuade them from conducting their obligations freely and fearlessly, without external interference.
  • Establishing parallel governance structures which, whether or not they have formal legal underpinning, seek to supersede the lawful powers of existing institutions of state.
Aim 3 (enabling the spread of extremism): Intentionally creating a permissive environment for behaviour in aim 1 or aim 2. Including:
  • Providing an uncritical platform for individuals or representatives of groups or organisations that have demonstrated behaviour in either aim 1 or aim 2.
  • Facilitating activity of individuals or representatives of groups or organisations that have demonstrated behaviour in either aim 1 or aim 2, including through provision of endorsement, funding, or other forms of support.
  • The dissemination of extremist propaganda and narratives that call for behaviour in either aim 1 or aim 2.
  • Attempts to radicalise, indoctrinate and recruit others to an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance, including young people.
  • Consistent association with individuals or representatives of groups or organisations that have demonstrated behaviour in either aim 1 or aim 2 without providing critical challenge to their ideology or behaviour.
  • If any behaviour listed in aim 1 or aim 2 has occurred previously, a refusal by the individual, group or organisation that conducted the behaviour to rescind, repudiate or distance themselves from the behaviour.

This isn't particularly 'legally'. Its fairly straightforward to understand.

Sounds like a terribly loose set of definitions to me, open to all kinds of abuse by the state. Almost like it was designed by a bunch of would be fascists trying to suppress dissent.

In fact, it's practically a charter for the suppression of 'free speech'.

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2024 21:23

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 21:22

Sounds like a terribly loose set of definitions to me, open to all kinds of abuse by the state. Almost like it was designed by a bunch of would be fascists trying to suppress dissent.

In fact, it's practically a charter for the suppression of 'free speech'.

Jesus fucking wept.

InvisibleBuffy · 17/10/2024 21:29

suggestionsplease1 · 17/10/2024 17:26

Well they really shouldn't be 'talking off the top of their head's to a court, should they?

The impression given to the court was clear; a post conference survey with the stated intention of finding out how attendees felt about the conference, and also including some demographic data which gave a figure of gay and lesbian attendees of about 7% which nobody could understand.

In the light of this surprising figure they tell the court they then decided to conduct a bigger survey to try to get a more accurate understanding of the real composition of the LGB Alliance..

..and yet you are telling me that this (first, post-conference survey) is the survey where they contacted every single member on their mail list?

How exactly were they going to carry out a bigger survey than that, considering according to you, they've already contacted everyone they know?

Nope, I smell multiple rats.

Read the entire court transcript.

I smell multiple rats too. In a thread about a homophobic attack on a gay rights conference, you are nitpicking and repeating a single unreliable figure.
What for?
How about the actual questions at hand? Do gay men and women have the right to be same sex attracted? Do they have the right to gather to talk about their concerns about those rights?
This is what the LGBA was trying to talk about.
My answer to both of those questions is a resounding yes.
And I'd far rather hear your answer to those than endless nonsensical waffling about 7% which is clearly in bad faith.
If you have any intention of engaging in good faith, then I'd like to know why on earth it is acceptable to any decent human being to try stop others from talking, especially a community whose voices have been muffled and silenced for centuries.
Bloody disgraceful.

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 21:34

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 21:22

Sounds like a terribly loose set of definitions to me, open to all kinds of abuse by the state. Almost like it was designed by a bunch of would be fascists trying to suppress dissent.

In fact, it's practically a charter for the suppression of 'free speech'.

Who, in the scenario under discussion in this thread, was trying to suppress free speech?

Are you saying, @MonkeyToHeaven , that you think people should have the right of assembly and the right to peacefully discuss matters of importance to them, without interference?

HotSource · 17/10/2024 21:44

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 21:22

Sounds like a terribly loose set of definitions to me, open to all kinds of abuse by the state. Almost like it was designed by a bunch of would be fascists trying to suppress dissent.

In fact, it's practically a charter for the suppression of 'free speech'.

This started with you asking if it would be a homophobic hate crime to release crickets into a conference of gays for Trump ‘or something else’ .

Presumably you meant anti Trump rather than homophobic. Which isn’t relevant because the LGBA conference was, basically ‘gays got gays’.

However, for me, one ‘so thing else’ is an assault on free speech. I am no supporter of Trump, I am against all he stands for, but I would not make an aggressive intervention into their gathering with the intention of shutting them up and stopping them speaking.

Free speech, free expression: core to democracy. Trying to shut people down? Just not cricket!

Bannedontherun · 17/10/2024 21:49

@MonkeyToHeaven 😂😂😂😂😂😂 classic stuff fascists

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:39

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2024 21:23

Jesus fucking wept.

No he didn't.

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:40

Bannedontherun · 17/10/2024 21:49

@MonkeyToHeaven 😂😂😂😂😂😂 classic stuff fascists

You don't think the previous government were creeping towards fascism with some of their legislation? Interesting.

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:50

HotSource · 17/10/2024 21:44

This started with you asking if it would be a homophobic hate crime to release crickets into a conference of gays for Trump ‘or something else’ .

Presumably you meant anti Trump rather than homophobic. Which isn’t relevant because the LGBA conference was, basically ‘gays got gays’.

However, for me, one ‘so thing else’ is an assault on free speech. I am no supporter of Trump, I am against all he stands for, but I would not make an aggressive intervention into their gathering with the intention of shutting them up and stopping them speaking.

Free speech, free expression: core to democracy. Trying to shut people down? Just not cricket!

The OP's question was suggesting it was a hate crime, doesn't seem to meet the classification. Them I responded to a pp who suggested it might be an "assault on free speech" which isn't an offence.

Then somebody kept posting a deeply contentious bit of legislation, which would preclude the actions of the suffragettes, the anti-apartheid movement, the US civil rights movement etc for example, as if it were the final judgment on the matter.

That's what actually happened.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 22:52

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:40

You don't think the previous government were creeping towards fascism with some of their legislation? Interesting.

How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion from BannedontheRun's comments? How very odd 🤔

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 22:54

Either you believe in free speech and the right to peaceful assembly, or you don't, @MonkeyToHeaven . Which is it?

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:55

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 22:52

How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion from BannedontheRun's comments? How very odd 🤔

Because that's the legislation I was referring to as creeping towards fascism.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 22:56

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:55

Because that's the legislation I was referring to as creeping towards fascism.

Are you interested in fascism Monkey?

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:56

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 22:54

Either you believe in free speech and the right to peaceful assembly, or you don't, @MonkeyToHeaven . Which is it?

I do as it happens. But that's not what we have under current legislation.

HotSource · 17/10/2024 22:58

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:50

The OP's question was suggesting it was a hate crime, doesn't seem to meet the classification. Them I responded to a pp who suggested it might be an "assault on free speech" which isn't an offence.

Then somebody kept posting a deeply contentious bit of legislation, which would preclude the actions of the suffragettes, the anti-apartheid movement, the US civil rights movement etc for example, as if it were the final judgment on the matter.

That's what actually happened.

I said I would view it as an assault on free speech.

Which I do.

Whatever the legislation does or does not say.

The actions of TRAs are geared towards stopping people expressing their legal opinion. Through online threats (death, rape, violent sexual assault etc) through threats in speeches (‘punch s terf’) , through actual physical assaults (on a 60 yo woman) and by interventions at meetings (smoke bombs, explosive flares, bottles of piss and now live insects) . They state this: ‘no debate’.

Against people with a protected legal right to voice their opinions.

Thus I view their actions as an assault on free speech and anti democratic.

What is your actual opinion?

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 23:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2024 22:56

Are you interested in fascism Monkey?

In fighting it, absolutely. In tracking its rise, yes.

DanielaDressen · 17/10/2024 23:01

The fund raiser has comments saying the LGB alliance is just old straight people. Wtf? 😆😆

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 23:03

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 22:56

I do as it happens. But that's not what we have under current legislation.

I think you forgot to type "except for the gays, they need to shut up otherwise they have it comign to them" after "I do, as it happens".

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 23:06

HotSource · 17/10/2024 22:58

I said I would view it as an assault on free speech.

Which I do.

Whatever the legislation does or does not say.

The actions of TRAs are geared towards stopping people expressing their legal opinion. Through online threats (death, rape, violent sexual assault etc) through threats in speeches (‘punch s terf’) , through actual physical assaults (on a 60 yo woman) and by interventions at meetings (smoke bombs, explosive flares, bottles of piss and now live insects) . They state this: ‘no debate’.

Against people with a protected legal right to voice their opinions.

Thus I view their actions as an assault on free speech and anti democratic.

What is your actual opinion?

I think they're a bunch of zealots whose origins are quite difficult to trace.

MonkeyToHeaven · 17/10/2024 23:12

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 23:03

I think you forgot to type "except for the gays, they need to shut up otherwise they have it comign to them" after "I do, as it happens".

I think, if you knew who my brother was and the role he played in the gay rights movement, including the equalisation of the age of consent, you'd shut your mouth.

ArcheryAnnie · 17/10/2024 23:16

Why would I have any interest in what your brother did, @MonkeyToHeaven , when it is you appearing to defend a homophobic attack on lesbians, gays and bisexuals peacefully gathering? None of us here can hide behind our relatives' actions - it's what we say and do that counts.

Bannedontherun · 17/10/2024 23:18

@MonkeyToHeaven why in this world would you refer to a brother you may or may not have who you cannot tell us about without exposing yourself as some form of defence?

Bannedontherun · 17/10/2024 23:19

@ArcheryAnnie hard to hide behind an invisible or fictitious brother

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