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First 100 days

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 12/10/2024 10:08

whoever you voted for, what are your thoughts after the First 100 Days?
I didn’t vote for Labour, but I was quite excited in their first few weeks as Keir got his head down and I was excited fir change.

Now I just feel deflated. Same old….freebiegate, nitpicking, infighting. A bit depressing really.

i don’t even think there was a decent alternative really….and that’s even more depressing!!!!!

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Rummly · 19/10/2024 19:33

pointythings · 19/10/2024 18:22

@Rummly I agree - but society and governments are going to have to think and plan ahead for those people who will not have the jobs they used to be able to get and who will not be able to get into the 'complex' jobs of the future - because if you wilfully create a society where there is mass unemployment, that is not going to be stable.

I agree. Completely.

EasternStandard · 19/10/2024 19:43

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 19:24

I find some of the posts on here almost child-like in their naïveté. The real world is not ‘Imagine’ - it’s unfair, its tough, its competitive. There are several billion Chinese, Indians, and sub-Saharan Africans etc who want the kind of trappings of wealth we have enjoyed. We have conflict in several regions with its impact on supply chains, and inflation.

Those who wanted a ‘fairer’ UK (perception or reality), presumably voted for Labour. So, that’s what you have got - a socialist democracy.

And BTW, Labour recently schmoozed the ultra-wealthy CEOs who PointyThings so detests…

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An interesting post. I do think we need to be competitive here

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:43

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 19:30

Wealth creation. Don’t get me wrong - we need innovators. If you know anything of my posts I am pro wealth creation. Pretending this person is some kind of hero we all need to look up to. Absolutely not. His company are a peak example of what happens when taxes on business and wealth become punitive. Look how his company treated his staff and the relocation of his operations to Singapore after the Brexit he championed. We need less of that, not more.

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It's very difficult to make money out of farming. His farms will be losing huge amounts of money every year. If some of you had their way we would have collective farms and use horses to plough the fields.🙄

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 19:45

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:43

It's very difficult to make money out of farming. His farms will be losing huge amounts of money every year. If some of you had their way we would have collective farms and use horses to plough the fields.🙄

Dyson Farming made a pre-tax profit of £5.2m in the year to 31 December 2023, up by £527,000 on the previous year. Sir James Dyson's farming business also increased its turnover by 16% to total £40.6m, according to the company's accounts, with arable farming continuing to be the principal business activity.

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 19:45

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:43

It's very difficult to make money out of farming. His farms will be losing huge amounts of money every year. If some of you had their way we would have collective farms and use horses to plough the fields.🙄

Tell me you don’t know anything about my views without telling me 🤣

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:48

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 19:45

Dyson Farming made a pre-tax profit of £5.2m in the year to 31 December 2023, up by £527,000 on the previous year. Sir James Dyson's farming business also increased its turnover by 16% to total £40.6m, according to the company's accounts, with arable farming continuing to be the principal business activity.

Good!

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 19:50

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:48

Good!

As I said. Wealth creation. I see naivety works both ways…

pointythings · 19/10/2024 19:56

PinkFruitbat · 19/10/2024 19:14

What do you do with the people who don’t want to work?

I don't really think there are all that many.

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:56

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 19:50

As I said. Wealth creation. I see naivety works both ways…

He's making money out of his arable business and investing it into the strawberry growing. I hold no candle for James Dyson and voted Remain. HTH

pointythings · 19/10/2024 19:58

EasternStandard · 19/10/2024 19:43

An interesting post. I do think we need to be competitive here

I'm all in favour of schmoozing CEOs. A mutual exchange of ideas is always worthwhile. I'm not a dogmatic socialist, unless you think wanting someone who works full time to be able to afford the essentials to keep body and soul together is a dogmatic socialist idea.

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 20:01

derxa · 19/10/2024 19:56

He's making money out of his arable business and investing it into the strawberry growing. I hold no candle for James Dyson and voted Remain. HTH

But you were so sure he was doing it for a huge loss. HTH. Code for I was massively wrong 😂

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:01

pointythings · 19/10/2024 19:56

I don't really think there are all that many.

9.26 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive, and the inactivity rate was 21.8%.

June-Aug 2024.

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:09

pointythings · 19/10/2024 19:58

I'm all in favour of schmoozing CEOs. A mutual exchange of ideas is always worthwhile. I'm not a dogmatic socialist, unless you think wanting someone who works full time to be able to afford the essentials to keep body and soul together is a dogmatic socialist idea.

Ok, so you dont want people earning significant wealth, because you are working FT to afford the essentials? Is that the context?

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:10

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:01

9.26 million people aged 16-64 were economically inactive, and the inactivity rate was 21.8%.

June-Aug 2024.

That figure has been dissected and debunked many, many, many times on MN. I'm a bit shocked to see you still peddling it, as you seem quite knowledgeable.

It includes:

  • People who have enough money to retire early without needing to claim benefits
  • People in full time education
  • People who are too ill to work
  • People who are full time carers

The real number is far, far lower than that. How are you going to motivate people who do not need to work because they are comfortable financially to return? Take their money? What are you going to do about students? Many do in fact work part time - many also can't, because their courses don't allow it.

I'm all for getting people well enough to go back to work. The lack of investment in the NHS (and yes, reform too!) will need to be turned around so that waiting lists come down and people can return to work. Work is good for the vast majority of people.

I'm also all for carers being enabled to work, so let's hope the review into how their earnings and the impact on Carer Allowance goes into this. Carers save the government many millions every single year, so introducing more flexibility and a proper taper would be great.

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:14

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:10

That figure has been dissected and debunked many, many, many times on MN. I'm a bit shocked to see you still peddling it, as you seem quite knowledgeable.

It includes:

  • People who have enough money to retire early without needing to claim benefits
  • People in full time education
  • People who are too ill to work
  • People who are full time carers

The real number is far, far lower than that. How are you going to motivate people who do not need to work because they are comfortable financially to return? Take their money? What are you going to do about students? Many do in fact work part time - many also can't, because their courses don't allow it.

I'm all for getting people well enough to go back to work. The lack of investment in the NHS (and yes, reform too!) will need to be turned around so that waiting lists come down and people can return to work. Work is good for the vast majority of people.

I'm also all for carers being enabled to work, so let's hope the review into how their earnings and the impact on Carer Allowance goes into this. Carers save the government many millions every single year, so introducing more flexibility and a proper taper would be great.

OK so lets get granular, and break out the numbers please - if it has been dissected many times previously on MN.

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:15

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:09

Ok, so you dont want people earning significant wealth, because you are working FT to afford the essentials? Is that the context?

No, you aren't getting it. I want everyone to be able to have the essentials if they work, and I want people to realise that actually they don't need designer everything and a different Lamborghini for every season. So we level up a little bit at the bottom and we level down a bit at the very top. The rich will still be fabulously, fabulously rich. And that's fine.

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:17

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:14

OK so lets get granular, and break out the numbers please - if it has been dissected many times previously on MN.

Here you go: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

30 seconds on Google. I'm really surprised you haven't seen these graphics.

A young woman

Unemployment: Who are the millions of Britons not working?

The unemployment rate is relatively low historically, but millions aren't working.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:19

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:15

No, you aren't getting it. I want everyone to be able to have the essentials if they work, and I want people to realise that actually they don't need designer everything and a different Lamborghini for every season. So we level up a little bit at the bottom and we level down a bit at the very top. The rich will still be fabulously, fabulously rich. And that's fine.

Silly me.

OK, well I might be inclined to focus on your own life, and let others focus on theirs. If you voted in Labour, you may also want to trust that they will deliver on their manifesto pledges…

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:23

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:17

Here you go: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

30 seconds on Google. I'm really surprised you haven't seen these graphics.

Forgive me if I study this.

Data is open to interpretation…

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:39

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:23

Forgive me if I study this.

Data is open to interpretation…

Of course but then so is yours...

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:40

Rockalittle78 · 19/10/2024 20:19

Silly me.

OK, well I might be inclined to focus on your own life, and let others focus on theirs. If you voted in Labour, you may also want to trust that they will deliver on their manifesto pledges…

I'm prepared to give them more than 3 months, unlike some very impatient people on here.

ThatbloodyRoblox · 19/10/2024 21:31

This thread isn't very nice.
Net drainers and the like.
I have no idea how we aren't looking at the bigger picture and by the way I am the biggest net drainer ever.
3.5 years cancer treatment for your child and relying on carers allowance and disability benefits for them does that- without the cost of treatment. Shall we do a "Liz " for those of us?
I have absolutely no problem at all for those that are successful in their working lives and enjoy the income from that BUT I do have a problem with those people not recognising that without low paid essential workers things wouldn't work so well.
Your parents care workers decide - not today
Your nanny decides - not today
The talk of " unions" is actually talking about a collective of workers, each and every one of them individual.
We need to be better for all our people.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 05:56

pointythings · 19/10/2024 20:39

Of course but then so is yours...

Government data.

Long-term sickness and declaring yourself a student were the leading reasons for economic inactivity, during the period in question, with the latter worthy of a section devoted to why many young people are not entering the workforce after finishing education.

Hmm.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 06:01

ThatbloodyRoblox · 19/10/2024 21:31

This thread isn't very nice.
Net drainers and the like.
I have no idea how we aren't looking at the bigger picture and by the way I am the biggest net drainer ever.
3.5 years cancer treatment for your child and relying on carers allowance and disability benefits for them does that- without the cost of treatment. Shall we do a "Liz " for those of us?
I have absolutely no problem at all for those that are successful in their working lives and enjoy the income from that BUT I do have a problem with those people not recognising that without low paid essential workers things wouldn't work so well.
Your parents care workers decide - not today
Your nanny decides - not today
The talk of " unions" is actually talking about a collective of workers, each and every one of them individual.
We need to be better for all our people.

I dont think any reasonable person would question the support needed for our most vulnerable - yours clearly being a compelling case, and I sincerely wish you and your family the best.

Many of us are being asked to bear an increasing fiscal burden, and we are entitled to challenge whether this is correct, where the money is going, and if Labour are the proper custodians of our tax revenue (I would argue they are not).

PinkFruitbat · 20/10/2024 08:29

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 06:01

I dont think any reasonable person would question the support needed for our most vulnerable - yours clearly being a compelling case, and I sincerely wish you and your family the best.

Many of us are being asked to bear an increasing fiscal burden, and we are entitled to challenge whether this is correct, where the money is going, and if Labour are the proper custodians of our tax revenue (I would argue they are not).

Well said. I pay over £50k a year in income tax alone; and every interface I have with the state is broken; roads, schools, hospitals etc. I don’t see how paying over £60k a year will make any difference. Which is why I am sceptical!