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Work 4 day week impossible as a Mum

93 replies

Storytime75 · 04/10/2024 19:49

Sorry if this is just a rant but some perspective would also be good - please be kind, feeling fragile.

I work remotely (in contract) and go into the office occasionally. I have worked 4 days a week since coming back from maternity leave and have my child one day per week.

I am trying to my best to be as accommodating as possible however this essentially means me putting in an extra 2-3 hours work every single night after my baby is in bed. I am so stressed out, and run into the ground.

Im not being a martyr, I've tried to put boundaries in place and have raised the issue of the workload with my manager and she's entirely unhelpful. In the past she has said "when I worked part time I found it really helpful to log on at 5am just blitz through my emails when no-one is bothering me, could you try that". Or "This is the problem with Mums working part-time, we expect a certain level of flexibility from you and it's usually impossible to make it work". I feel like encouraging this working pattern as the only way to get the job done is bad leadership. I do not get paid for any overtime or hours I put outside of the 4 days.

It's come to a head this week because I am expected to travel to a client on my non-working day (Tuesday). This is a 6 hour journey by train and an overnight stay. To then work the the next day with the client, and travel 6 hours back home to get back at 11pm. We do not get paid in lieu/toil for travel so that's 12 hours of my own time Im travelling on.

My issue is, in order to accommodate this for them, I will have to pay to put my child in nursery for the day. I raised this and asked what the business stance is on this as Im incurring a hefty additional cost and it's very much 'we expect you to be flexible'.

The solution is I work on the Tuesday, so I will be paid for that day. I will then travel up to the site. I will still have to pay for a full day's nursery in order to accommodate the business need for me to be there (I am unable to swap nursery days around).

Manager said 'well we're paying you for working on the Tues so we're covering your your childcare'. NO you're covering MY TIME, I am paying for the childcare. Im basically having to work an extra day, to get paid for 25% of it because the rest will go on childcare.

I understand that yes, every other day I work and my child is at nursery that is a cost I choose to incur, but that's a personal choice we've made as a family when weighing up my salary vs childcare.

Im pissed off because I feel that I'm having to pay the day of nursery fees/forfeit the day with my child in order for the business to meet the unrealistic expectations it has set to its clients, and the unrealistic expectations that staff will drop everything.

Im not expected to do it regularly, so fine. However the total lack of respect for my own time, the fact I work 4 days, the fact Im drowning in work and no one is prepared to listen, is completely disappointing. I will of course suck it up, and do the work, I just struggle so much to be firm in my opinions when management is so quick to disregard what Im saying as 'women being inflexible'.

YANBU - they are taking the piss
YABU - you need to suck it up

Thanks!

OP posts:
nhk · 04/10/2024 19:53

I don’t have the answers but I am in a similar position. Women are treated like shit, it’s exhausting. I keep standing my ground.

Monkeysatonthewall · 04/10/2024 20:04

Awful.
They'd never treat a man like this.

Unicorntastic · 04/10/2024 20:06

Surely they can’t expect you to travel outside of your normal place of work and not be paid for all those extra hours?!

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 04/10/2024 20:07

When I was looking at going back 4 days a week a colleague said to me don't (she'd done it) do 5 in 4, when you're 0.8 FTE you just get less money for a full time role. It's that something they would consider seeing as you are regularly putting in unpaid hours in the evening ?

SilenceInside · 04/10/2024 20:08

I changed jobs because of essentially trying to do a full time role in 3 days a week. It sucks, and it's bad management imo, and a shit work culture. It's surprisingly common unfortunately. I don't have any suggestions other than to look for a job in a company that hopefully has a better workplace culture.

Thfrog · 04/10/2024 20:09

Are your 4 days a week specified? If so then no they can't make you work your non working day

Happierthaneverr · 04/10/2024 20:10

In a similar position OP, I have more work than most of the full timers and management are so difficult when I say I am over capacity

NuffSaidSam · 04/10/2024 20:10

I'd start looking for another job.

As pp said, look at condensed hours instead to get your 4 day week. It's quite difficult to work 4 days a week in lots of roles/at lots of companies.

Penguinmouse · 04/10/2024 20:10

I don’t have any advice on the travel time issue other than your employer is crap but would echo what another posted said and rather than work 0.8 FTE, request compressed hours so you at least get a full time wage. Sounds like you do more than your hours anyway!

Raveonette · 04/10/2024 20:11

Yanbu
What you're actually doing is
compressed hours - full time hours over 4 days - so if they can't respect your 4 day week they need to pay you the full time salary.
And they definitely ought to be giving you a day off in lieu for all that travel time.

Sleep10 · 04/10/2024 20:11

I have no advise to offer but I sympathise with you. Going through similar myself. The more I stand my ground, the worse I get it.
Big hugs, it feels a lot harder than it should be.

Crazyeight · 04/10/2024 20:12

Bring the baby wearing an outfit that says "I quit you utter fucks!"

Or be sensible and just look for other, remote based, work.

LostittoBostik · 04/10/2024 20:16

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 04/10/2024 20:07

When I was looking at going back 4 days a week a colleague said to me don't (she'd done it) do 5 in 4, when you're 0.8 FTE you just get less money for a full time role. It's that something they would consider seeing as you are regularly putting in unpaid hours in the evening ?

Yes, came to say this.

Even worse I once did a 3 day a week job share and it was basically my old FT job on three days pay. I was working 6 days a week to keep up, just most of it unpaid.

If I did it again I would have done FT compressed into 4 days

pyb1995 · 04/10/2024 20:18

Hi!

I am a manager and I am really sorry this is how you are being treated. Funnily enough, I am the one who works 4 days a week whilst my team work 5. I do however, have 2 single parents in my team who often need to be flexible/take time off for their children. This is absolutely their right and as a manager, and a business, we support this. I would never dream of expecting someone in my team to work, travel or even attend a meeting that they are not being paid for or on their day off. For context, I work in civil litigation.

Presumably you may be quite high up the ladder, so maybe this may be expected of you as part of your contract? If so, then unfortunately you may be in a bit of a bind. I would however request a copy of your contract to check this over.

It sounds to me like your manager isn't very supportive of your situation. Have you tried explaining and possibly requesting HR's advice? I've always put my team's happiness (in and outside of work) as a priority as that is how you end up with staff that will do a good job. Happy staff = happy life.

Really hope you find a solution which benefits both - I think the offer of paying/giving TOIL is more than reasonable if something you'd be happy to consider x

Aliciainwunderland · 04/10/2024 20:19

Don’t have the answer but am totally annoyed on your behalf. Feels like working mums get the shitty end of every stick

EsmeSusanOgg · 04/10/2024 20:20

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 04/10/2024 20:07

When I was looking at going back 4 days a week a colleague said to me don't (she'd done it) do 5 in 4, when you're 0.8 FTE you just get less money for a full time role. It's that something they would consider seeing as you are regularly putting in unpaid hours in the evening ?

Second this. I did 4 days, but I essentially did full time for less pay. Though I had a non-working day.

I'd say no OP. That you cannot work the Tuesday, that this is not possible and why your Tuesday is a non work day. They'll have to find a different time / someone else to meet this client.

Stop doing unpaid overtime. Expecting flexibility but not returning it is not acceptable. Also contact pregnant then screwed for advice.

EsmeSusanOgg · 04/10/2024 20:21

I did 4-days with my oldest. Went to work full time with my second.

MrsTigerface · 04/10/2024 20:23

Your ‘manager’ suggests logging in at 5am??? Words fail me, this is not ‘management’ at all. They’re taking the piss. I’d be looking for another job. Hugs x

Butterfly43 · 04/10/2024 20:23

Contact HR for advice. This sounds totally unacceptable and I can't believe your manager has made comments about "this is the problem with mum's working part time" - that's so unprofessional. They can't force you to work on your non-working day, and they can't just ignore you if you're struggling with an unmanageable workload. Is it a big or small company?

Singleandproud · 04/10/2024 20:24

You need to change jobs, this is a workplace issue. To not pay you overtime / Flexi / time in lieu is just not on.
I work somewhere they bend over backwards to accommodate both mums and dads and other with caring responsibilities / disabilities / fertility treatment and to be flexible. There are better places out there.

Twilightstarbright · 04/10/2024 20:25

You need to move jobs, they sound awful. If I had to do that amount of travel I’d expect TOIL or payment in addition.

Sallyanne92 · 04/10/2024 20:26

I do a 4 day week, my work are understanding and I do not work outside of my contracted hours, I turn my phone off and enjoy my day off. I do no work outside of my hours and if they ask I just say no, what are they going to do? Are you part of a union, you need legal advice

90yomakeuproom · 04/10/2024 20:26

Why did you agree to work Tuesday if it's your non working day? Just say the nursery can't fit your DC in on any extra days.

WYorkshireRose · 04/10/2024 20:27

Monkeysatonthewall · 04/10/2024 20:04

Awful.
They'd never treat a man like this.

Most men wouldn't allow themselves to be treated like this. And nor would some women. It's about knowing your worth and having strong boundaries.

Fraudornot · 04/10/2024 20:27

Dig your heels in on those one and claim the toil. You will still have to pay nursery but you may get a day off to yourself on another day where you can do what you want. Honestly you have to make the boundary here because no one else cares and no one else will give you a Pat on the back for travelling on your day off. What is the worst that can happen? They can’t say you are being unreasonable for taking the time back.