To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

[Bumpitybumper]

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

I never said there shouldn’t be any holiday lets- I said it needs to be regulated so the numbers of holiday lets are sustainable, not removing too much housing stock and is assessed for its impacts on residents. That way tourists can still visit, tourists have safe accommodation which meets their needs, towns get tourism and jobs for locals, there’s still somewhere for locals to live 😊

A local is someone who lives there. It isn’t necessarily someone born there.

@Bumpitybumper @Autumnalfun people have always moved much further afield to find work, particularly when industries collapsed, but not to find cheap housing. They might have bought a first home in a village down the way, but not a whole other county.

But maybe people born there feel their wealth is their being born somewhere beautiful like a rich person is born with access to money. And yes, you can ask the state to step in regarding money if you lose it all. It's social welfare.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'ascertaining'.

Everywhere needs proper oversight of planning, and in some countries that includes not only the physical but also social environment. In Singapore, foreigners pay massive tax on property and cars unlike the locals, most nation states prioritise their civilian population over others. this is just happening at a more local level - and even then, some form of prioritising locals happens in plenty of places - for example, planning permission for new build houses is only given to people who have demonstrated local links in certain parts of Ireland and so on.

You sound terribly angry and disrespectful of the local community as you seem completely unable to understand their perspective.

We have an abbatoir at the edge of our village, we'll signposted so you can't miss it. New couple moved up from down South and started complaining about the smell from the wagons coming out of the abbatoir ie raw meat smell. The same couple swaned around as if they were doing us a favour moving into the village and bestowing their largesse on us. They didn't interact with any community events or fundraising etc and then started bitching that the village was unwelcoming. Villages survive through community relationships and these 2 refused to join in but then couldn't understand why we weren't fawning all over them in the pub.
OP you sound exactly like them.
FYI we were newcomers 18 years ago but having a good understanding of what rural life involves, and getting stuck in to community events plus making an effort to get to know people, we were welcomed and are happy and settled.
Oh we also weren't rich outsiders who contribute to rising house prices.

How about in the industrial revolution? I don't think everyone stayed put in the countryside then.

Is it really a privilege, though? You have mentioned low incomes in your area. It's a privilege if you are moneyed, but if you have to do multiple jobs and never get to enjoy it, it isn't quite the privilege that it seems to those who move for the beauty.

When you actually live as a local and not as an incomer with independent wealth, it's actually bloody hard. It can be rather insulting to hear how 'lucky' you are when you never see your beauty spot in the summer.

Not all incomers are wealthy, of course. I wasn't in the beauty spot I lived in before, and I am not now in the somewhat rundown seaside town I live in now. It might be why I have more local sympathy, though I do object to the idea that you have to live somewhere for generations to be 'local'.

A lot of people who moved to where I lived before were starting to complain about the things that went hand in hand with the beauty. They didn't bother to learn about the reality of actually living there, and the truth was, the moneyed people didn't actually really live that reality. And that was a problem for the proper locals. Incomers complaining about the fact that the beauty spot actually needed some messy bits to function.

well by local I meant someone who lives and works in an area - born there or elsewhere 😊

Don't go to the seaside exactly. We went to a lovely church in Devon and the people kind of understood we might want to move there. They were very positive and shared that they prefer people who move there and to put roots down the community, just as you want , poster, and rather not buy homes in bulk and rent them out

Don’t worry, UK villages already have perfected this one. DM has lived in the same village since 1987, and she is still “an incomer from the new housing estate”.

And long time Londoners will recall the East End borough who brought in a policy which gave an advantage to existing family members to access social housing.
This was found to be discrimination.

You just keep talking about 'attractiveness' but you're completely ignoring the other values that people from a place might connect with it, the most significant of which is a sense of home and belonging. Many people in the UK identify almost more strongly with their local area, region or city than with their nationality. To be priced out of that or disconnected from it can be extremely painful. You should try to be more empathetic instead of insisting that you're completely right. It's a really complex situation.

And they weren’t buying houses either. Majority rented. You’re comparing apples with pears.

But foreigners do not pay to subsidise Singaporeans to live in Singapore. That's why these policies work better on a national level.

In this country, places like Cornwall receive a huge amount of state subsidy. This is disproportionately funded by the same Londoners that the locals want to stop visiting Cornwall or buying homes there.

I am angry but I am not disrespectful to the local community as I am part of it. The local community has evolved to include outsiders like me.

And what of people born in an 'ugly and undesirable' part of the world

What makes you more entitled to live in the U.K. than them just because you were lucky to be born here....

I mean that's the logical extension of your argument isn't it?

That's called migration, also been happening since the dawn of time. People have plenty of opinions on it already.

Affordable housing, at least here, is for those who prove a connection or need to the area, so yes it means locals but also will cover those who work here. Many of the restrictions on the local housing say if a person can provide proof they are moving for a local job then they can rent or purchase the property subject to the restrictions.

The law of averages say it will more likely be locals though just by them being local! There is nothing wrong with that. The difficulty arises when the housing is oversubscribed and someone has to decide on the local v incomer coming to work - whatever decision is made someone is going to be unhappy.

State subsidies are disproportionately funded by Londoners? FFS, I’ve heard it all now.

Indeed. Lots of very picturesque places have deep seated problems with poverty, unemployment, or lack of services, for example.

Of course tourists and visitors value the place for its scenery, but people who've lived there longer often are grappling with other problems that may be exacerbated by more tourists or, for example, retirees adding strain to already stretched health services. And may value their home for family and friends as much as for the prettiness of the place.

Look up where the net contributors from taxation come from by region.

My point is that if it's OK to migrate within a country then logically it's OK to migrate between them. I can't see how you can be in favour of one without the other and yet so many people are anti immigration

They earn more, so pay more tax. They disproportionately fund everything technically.

It’s the capital city. It’s where most company HQs are.

The sale of council housing has also contributed to this. Even in chocolate box villages there always used to be some council properties. I live in a very rural village in a fairly touristy part of the world. The street just along from my house used to to be solely council properties ( probably about 20 of them). Most are now in private ownership.

The bottom line is that if you have money you have a lot more choice than those who do not but not everyone can just get a higher paying job and work to afford an expensive property. It used to be that council properties were available for those who were on lower incomes but this is not so much the case now, especially in more "desirable" areas of the country so more and more people are being forced out. As always those on lower incomes have to make way for the wealthy. It has always been this way (Highland Clearances anyone?) but because of the terrible state of housing in the UK and the ever increasing gap in wealth between rich and poor it has become so much worse.

Gentrification affects all areas of the country especially in London. When I lived there in the 80s I remember a friend buying a 2 bed mansion flat in Balham for £60,000. We all joked about her being brave for living there. I imagine it's probably worth 10 times the amount now and the average first time buyer could never afford that.

There are so many strands to this problem but one thing is for certain the housing situation is a mess.

Has it occurred to you that those opposing opinions might not be held by the same people?