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To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:19

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

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JudgeJ · 03/10/2024 17:24

Bluevelvetsofa · 03/10/2024 14:30

I disagree. I think it’s entirely reasonable for people who were born and raised in a particular area to be able to buy or rent a property in that area, if that’s what they want to do. They may wish to be near family and friends. They may have work locally. They may simply want to stay where it’s familiar.

The bigger issue is that so many properties are second homes, or are holiday cottages of various types, some of which are empty for tranches of time.

If tourism is what keeps the economy going, then it’s churlish to want to curtail that though.

The holiday homes etc are sold to the second home owners by those who live in the area so to a large extent the local community is implicated in the problem! One of the ways of trying to tackle the problem, which is by no means a new thing, is for properties to carry a condition that they can only be sold to those who live and work within the area, it does happen occasionally here in Norfolk.

DinosaurMunch · 03/10/2024 17:24

schloss · 03/10/2024 17:16

Ok I will jump in on this thread, being one of those locals born and bred in an area which is deemed very desirable and visited by over 20 million tourists per year.

I firmly believe anyone can live anywhere they want but they have to accept more desirable areas will be more expensive - it is how society works, if every house was priced the same in every part of the country then you are in communism territory . Market forces will decide property prices.

I really enjoy that people not local want to live in such a beautiful place that I call home, if they move here to retire, or to setup a busy, or to work or for any reason that is great. I love my home and environment, it is a joy that others make a choice to come and share it, but some locals can be a little precious about being local and the area - people have different dispositions.

We accept that tourism is a huge economical benefit to the area but also it has its cons that the area can become busy and some visitors do not respect it as much as they should. For many who live here the tourists provide a source of income which locals fully appreciate.

I have friends, and family, who are of the mindset, which I think is wrong, that they have sold property to incomers, gaining the highest price possible but then complain their children cannot purchase property due to the high prices. They really do seem to think they can have it both ways. Yes there are more and more affordable homes being built new along with existing homes having s106 restrictions. This helps of course and does mean locals, or those who work here, so not necessarily born here, can purchase or rent at affordable prices.

Now what does annoy locals is those people who move here and then within 2 minutes of being here try and change things. We are not some backward yokels against change but we do expect people coming here to try and become part of the community, that sometimes means accepting things are not how you would like them to be.

Do not come to a valley where the majority of the locals livestock farm and tell them to eat less meat, do not tell them not to drive a 4x4 especially when it is that vehicle which is likely to be used for the rescue services and/or will help you out when the weather is bad, do not tell them they should not renovate and convert farm buildings to holiday lets as it will encourage more tourism. It is those type of incomers which cause a bad name for others and can lead to maybe the situation the OP is experiencing.

Life is for living, there are nice places in the UK and not so nice places, some people will always want to live in those nicer places and prices will reflect that.

Also: complain about the smell of muck spreading, noise from tractors, sound of church bells.. even the noise made by barn owls has been a cause of complaint round here

Fluufer · 03/10/2024 17:24

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 17:21

My dad was raised in a poor rural area close to the sea (which was looked down upon as barren). With the widespread use of cars, the area is now very desirable. We have yuppies moving into the area (who have more money than locals), and the natives are struggling to get on the property ladder. A balance is needed. You don't want to push the locals out altogether. Community spirit is needed to stay strong.

Why do the locals keep selling to the yuppies then?

Startingagainandagain · 03/10/2024 17:25

I think we should come down hard on:

  • Airbnb and tax them out of existence
  • second homes.

Beyond that I don't see any issue with people settling permanently in tourist hotspots. They contribute to the local economy like anyone else.

And it really is never healthy to not have newcomers in towns and villages...

shuffleofftobuffalo · 03/10/2024 17:25

I live somewhere much beloved by tourists, it's bloody irritating in the summer, but many businesses survive the winter because of the revenue they generate during the summer months. I just avoid the peak tourist areas and revel in the quiet winters!

Our house prices are sky high though as a result being "the place to be". Sadly many people born here cannot afford to be here long term once they leave home.

alpenguin · 03/10/2024 17:26

My mum left the most beautiful little
village because second homers and holiday lets took over and there were not many locals
left so it was dead during non tourist seasons and it lost all its charm.

i think especially where cultures or populations are in danger of being lost or watered down too much the man there should be things in place to ensure locals have priority.

Where the fun in living in or moving to a e.g highland village and everyone there is from the south east of England? I wonder how many of those complaining about people wanting to make it more difficult to move to these “beautiful” places or touristy places also complain about non Brits not assimilating directly into British life and culture because there is a direct comparison. (And for the inevitable well we’re all British response, each region and even each village has its own culture that is slowly being eroded by goodlifers from the south east.)

hairbearbunches · 03/10/2024 17:26

This idea that people shouldn’t be able to live where they were born is a relatively new concept. Prior to our housing market going round the pipe with batshit crazy inflation, it was possible and it was also the norm. Untrammelled wealth for a smallish section of the population has ruined A LOT for everyone else.

And, OP, you sound like you could have a fight in an empty room.

Autumnalfun · 03/10/2024 17:27

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 17:21

My dad was raised in a poor rural area close to the sea (which was looked down upon as barren). With the widespread use of cars, the area is now very desirable. We have yuppies moving into the area (who have more money than locals), and the natives are struggling to get on the property ladder. A balance is needed. You don't want to push the locals out altogether. Community spirit is needed to stay strong.

No one is entitled to cheap housing anywhere never mind beautiful areas. Being born there doesn’t mean you’re entitled to live there at reduced rates. I’m agog anyone would think so.

Autumnalfun · 03/10/2024 17:28

hairbearbunches · 03/10/2024 17:26

This idea that people shouldn’t be able to live where they were born is a relatively new concept. Prior to our housing market going round the pipe with batshit crazy inflation, it was possible and it was also the norm. Untrammelled wealth for a smallish section of the population has ruined A LOT for everyone else.

And, OP, you sound like you could have a fight in an empty room.

People have never been able to live where they can’t afford. Since time began they have moved out for work or housing. If someone wants to live where they were born they need to earn the money to do so.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 03/10/2024 17:28

Because obviously the property goes to whoever has the most money.

It's also an area in which a minority language is spoken, and trying to be preserved. And most of these outsiders are speaking English.

Nosleepforthismum · 03/10/2024 17:29

I think the affordable housing aimed at locals is so that people that actually physically work in the area (builders, hospitality staff, cleaners, nurses, supermarket staff) can afford to buy homes where they work. I live in a tourist area and I’ve heard a lot of comments about airbnbs and second home owners but we have loads of “locals” that never grew up in the area that are liked and respected.

Mamabear04 · 03/10/2024 17:29

I think the main problem is that the local council aren't managing the tourism very well and they put the locals second. I see it all the time where I live and the little inconveniences such as taking over car parks for tourist buses or people who only shop at big supermarkets and don't spend money at local businesses make these hostilities add up over time. It's very frustrating.

Smallsalt · 03/10/2024 17:31

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 15:02

The mad thing is that ultimately they want to restrict outsiders ability to live and even visit their area even if this means the local economy suffers. They then of course will be wanting huge state subsidies from the restricted people to fund the local people's way of life as it's just not an economically viable place to live without tourism and rich outsiders moving in.

It really is extreme entitlement!

You sound like exactly the why "they" resent entitled incomers.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 17:32

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 16:31

Also who is an outsider. I was born and raised elsewhere but my kids have lived here all their lives. Do they now have the same claim as someone that has generations of family here? What about if someone moves away for a time and wants to come back? I have seen concepts of culture, language, networks mentioned on this thread. Very complex and potentially offensive ideas when you think about immigration and race.

Yes, quite. Once you start making rules/putting people into categories, things get very tricky very fast.

Cosyblankets · 03/10/2024 17:33

TheBluntTurtle · 03/10/2024 16:51

Not all holiday cottages are air bnbs - holiday cottages which have gone through the proper planning permission regime are fine as the impact of it is assessed and decided whether it is appropriate. The problem with air bnb is that they are supposed to be short term lets of homes (up to 90 days/yr) and used as a home the rest of the time. If you want to run a year round holiday let business you need to apply for change of use planning permission from residential dwelling to holiday let. This would then allow the council to assess if the loss of that dwelling as a home could in combination with other holiday lets lead to housing shortages or if the location is inappropriate for a holiday let (could it result in disruption for residents etc). In reality this doesn’t happen - people run them as year round holiday lets without the required permission contributing to housing shortages worldwide in tourist hotspots and issues for residents. There’s lots of news articles on this and Barcelona had banned air bnb as it’s been such an issue there (Edinburgh and York might follow next)…

I use booking.com I don't like air bnb but whatever way people do it lots of people want to stay in a cottage etc. Licensed or not this still removes houses from the housing market. But as I said in a previous post, and as many other posters have pointed out, the vendors could make sure their house is sold to a family from the local area. But they don't, they sell to the highest bidder.
My husband comes from an area where there's a lot of tourism, there's no other industry there, factories etc have closed and there simply isn't the infrastructure for other industries to open. The roads are too small etc so there are no jobs, so many people of working age have moved away. If there was no tourism there would be nothing there.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2024 17:35

Soukmyfalafel · 03/10/2024 16:45

I think you are wrong OP. Why should I be forced to move away from my family because tons of Londoners decide I live in a desirable area? I have been paying into the local economy for years, supported my town in becoming that desirable place in the first place and have presumably made tourists feel welcome, so why should I be priced out? I don't even live in that much of a desirable town aesthetically - the homes tend to be small and its very built up, but many people move to work here due to access of the rest of the county. I'm less bothered by that, it's the second home owners and air bnbs that do bother me because it has ruined a lot of local businesses and reduced housing supply, and there isn't much space here to just build the homes that people need either.

I think it's a shame to lose local people from an area. It loses its character. A lot of the areas built for Londoners in Devon are soulless now as local people have moved out and are empty mych of the time. Some of the private road communities just look very depressing. I don't get why you would want to move to a ghost town anyway.

Why is it all/only 'tons of Londoners'? Do people from other parts of the UK not come on holiday?

blueoverwhite · 03/10/2024 17:35

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 14:36

But what about people that are born and raised in areas that are less desirable and want to move to these desirable areas? Assuming that there is a very limited housing supply (which there usually is in these kinds of places) then why should locals get preference just because they were lucky enough to have been born there? I just think this is the ultimate in entitlement and entrenching generational privilege.

We all have our reasons for wanting to live somewhere and I don't think it's fair that locals are assumed to have more valid reasons. I also think holiday homes are fine if in use for large chunks of time. Without them then the tourist trade would really suffer as lots of people simply don't want hotels anymore

If there isn't affordable housing, who do you think is going to be working in the shops and bars and cafes and attractions that the tourists use?

schloss · 03/10/2024 17:35

DinosaurMunch · 03/10/2024 17:24

Also: complain about the smell of muck spreading, noise from tractors, sound of church bells.. even the noise made by barn owls has been a cause of complaint round here

Yes I could have typed a much longer list but I think (I hope) everyone got the idea!

hairbearbunches · 03/10/2024 17:35

Autumnalfun · 03/10/2024 17:28

People have never been able to live where they can’t afford. Since time began they have moved out for work or housing. If someone wants to live where they were born they need to earn the money to do so.

Absolute crap! Until house prices went through the roof, people could remain where they had grown up, even in tourist hotspots.

Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 17:36

hairbearbunches · 03/10/2024 17:35

Absolute crap! Until house prices went through the roof, people could remain where they had grown up, even in tourist hotspots.

That's not true at all. Lots of people had to leave their communities to afford a reasonable standard of life. It's a tale as old as time.

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Bumpitybumper · 03/10/2024 17:38

blueoverwhite · 03/10/2024 17:35

If there isn't affordable housing, who do you think is going to be working in the shops and bars and cafes and attractions that the tourists use?

I never said there shouldn't be affordable housing just that locals shouldn't necessarily be prioritised for this affordable housing.

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Marchitectmummy · 03/10/2024 17:38

It's on trend to do this, not just UK beauty spots but around Europe. Attitudes across Europe are becoming a different place to it has been.

Autumnalfun · 03/10/2024 17:39

hairbearbunches · 03/10/2024 17:35

Absolute crap! Until house prices went through the roof, people could remain where they had grown up, even in tourist hotspots.

You need to brush up on your history. Moving for work or affordable housing has gone on for well over a century,

BlackShuck3 · 03/10/2024 17:39

ShillyShallySherbet · 03/10/2024 16:25

The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism

This is where the real problem lies but YANBU

Doesn't this mean that house prices will collapse in the end because no businesses or services will be able to operate due to lack of staff?

Autumnalfun · 03/10/2024 17:40

blueoverwhite · 03/10/2024 17:35

If there isn't affordable housing, who do you think is going to be working in the shops and bars and cafes and attractions that the tourists use?

I ve never know a place yet thay can’t staff these jobs.