Stopping the boats.

[Scenicgirl]

Honest question.
When Rishi Sunak announced the promise to tackle Channel migrant crossings as one of his five key pledges at the beginning of 2023, and subsequently failed and Keir Starmer appearing not to be concerned about the numbers arriving daily, when other EU countries have taken a much sterner stance sending a clear message, why can't we stop/pause the boats?

Correct, well remembered. But we know loads of kids and their families of many faiths at the neighbouring school which is secular. They're also getting along well. It was the same at our primary school which was secular. It's a reflection of our diverse community.

They won't be in my back yard, they could'nt afford to live where I am.
This isn't about me.
This is about having unnecessary dependents, we've got enough home grown that offer little.
Only high skilled immigration.
UK needs to stop interfering in other country's issues so we don't have to be obliged to take some of them.

The problem with that is we pay Councils, not directly the Government and as such services which we fund and are already inferior to even a few years ago, would become even more rubbish. Who would want bins to overflow in the streets, certainly not me!

I say this often on asylum threads but have you ever considered why France doesn't set up an asylum processing centre in Greece or Italy? I'm sure those countries would be thrilled if they did.

Even if you set up a processing centre in say France. The people you say no to will still try and come. Unless you’re going to let every single person who wants come you’ll always have the boats or lorry stow aways unless you do something drastic.

An island is only ever so big, unless you believe we should concrete over all our farms and green spaces. Making flooding worse, not growing our own food leading to more shortages. Or should we demolish all houses and all live in high rise buildings to accommodate every single person who wants to live here.

Even if you set up a processing centre in say France. The people you say no to will still try and come. Unless you’re going to let every single person who wants come you’ll always have the boats or lorry stow aways unless you do something drastic.

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If someone's asylum claim is rejected then they will not get asylum if they make it to the UK. They are pretty well documented, so false appciations are unlikely to succeed.

Take it up with your government.
Make the people of your town work
Tell them to take the jobs that the low skilled immigrants are coming for.
It's not my fault your town is poor.

Our current status is based on large part on the fact we benefited from Empire. A lot of our infrastructure was built with the proceeds. So, we are still benefitting.

You’re missing what the pp meant

You either say yes to all successful claims in which case you’ll be overwhelmed or you cap it then those who miss out will still try

It’s not about a record of rejections

Lol.

Yes. There are lots of options that don't include terrorism.

That's why countries don't stay the same over millenia.

So not really seeking asylum. Just a preferred way of life.

It's not like water, railways, housing and healthcare were free under our benevolent Empire Masters was it ? Arguably a little bit of education - just enough to work the mills. But for 80% of the population - the dreaded working class - it was hardly wine and roses.

Dickens didn't need to imagine. Just document.

You are assuming that a huge additional number of asylum seekers will come because they are being processed in France. I don't think that's the case at all, especially when combined with the other measures I mentioned.

If people from this country did the low level jobs then why are so many on benefits and why are poorly English speaking people working in care homes and as cleaners? It's because the benefit claimants born here are not working.
We're not doing anything about it.
We're importing high and low skilled labour - and letting illegals in and asylum seekers from Europe!

That's what should be done first then - make it illegal to come by boat.
Ok bread and lentils.

The whole journey is dangerous, its just 'travelling' when they get to another stage and take the route or transport options available

Its no more or less safe than the other sections

Yes I think they will, given the increase already in migration

Not just to the UK

We see influx and then implementation of harder policy eg Italy recently

People cross with huge barriers in place, with just as invitation to apply it will be overwhelming. You’d need a cap, a no and then people will try anyway

I was replying to your comment about High skilled people - well if this country can't produce them we have to import them" hence my response saying I thought we already did, you only need to look around the hospitals.
Why do some people get so touchy?

But the processing of the applications will already have been done and dusted in France, so if they still try to cross, we don’t need to house them in centres, but can pop them on a plane and send straight home, because their applications have already been declined.

There are cultures - but those people stay in their own countries - we don't need to worry about the woman with 5 husbands.

You won’t be able to accommodate everyone who meets asylum status. Can you envisage how many would apply? If you can answer that it may help

You’ll have to cap the numbers and international law means people will need to be assessed here no matter how they arrive

Unless you change some laws / withdraw etc

They don't pay a living wage and we have a housing and cost of living crisis. Many can't work because of the state of the NHS.

The government took burseries away from nurses and we have a nursing crisis. We don't invest in needed sectors that we import from abroad. We take in hundreds of thousands of immigrants and don't invest in infrastructure or public services.

Asylum seekers are a tiny percentage of immigrants and there was no investment in the Home Office to process claims in fact the government deliberately created a backlog. It costs a lot of money to house asylum seekers waiting for their claims to be processed and they can't work and are unsupported.

To be honest, a lot of care homes are very poor because they employ low skilled and uneducated people. Include not speaking good English with that, and it’s not hard to see why our care homes are massively failing our elderly.

We don’t even often deport immigrants who have committed crimes before they manage to go under the radar. Some people in boats that don’t need picking up make it to the shore and can and do disappear under the radar.

Our who system is a shambles. Finding illegal workers and telling them they have to come check in once a week or whatever and when they inevitably don’t they are just poof gone again. Detention centres though are seen as bad.

If people are desperate they will keep trying and trying different names different stories. Unless we are going to make all finger printed and retinal scan. I say that because finger prints can be damaged.

Look what happened when Germany said come one come all. It was crazy.