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To ask if anyone deliberately plans/uses their sick leave as part of their entitlement?

315 replies

OneOpenRedShaker · 30/09/2024 18:49

I know some people who treat sick leave as an entitlement and plan/schedule when to use it, even when they’re not seriously ill. I’m curious to know if anyone else does this, or if most people reserve it for when they’re genuinely sick. Do you view sick leave as a right to use as needed, or is it something that should be used sparingly?

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LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 30/09/2024 21:27

Is sick leave entitlement even a thing? Confused

Not in any place I have ever worked it isn't. Nor anyone I know.

JaceLancs · 30/09/2024 21:28

No way! I have to be really unwell to stay off work and even then end up doing stuff from home even if that’s only checking emails and sending them to other people to deal with

Zanatdy · 30/09/2024 21:29

Absolutely not

4405cd · 30/09/2024 21:29

Crikey. We don’t get paid if off sick…people don’t appreciate how lucky they are to get paid. Only SSP which is about £100 a week!!

Lovelysummerdays · 30/09/2024 21:30

No. It drives me bonkers I work for the council and there are definitely piss takers. One bloke took six months off for years hanging around long enough to rebuild his sick leave entitlement. He then did his back in and had a period of genuine sick leave but it tipped over into disciplinary action. My boss was skipping around the office telling him not to be at work if he was in pain ( physical job) counting down the days before he could take action.

4405cd · 30/09/2024 21:31

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 30/09/2024 21:27

Is sick leave entitlement even a thing? Confused

Not in any place I have ever worked it isn't. Nor anyone I know.

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AvaJae · 30/09/2024 21:32

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Taking the chance to badmouth public servants eh? Or sort of bad mouth them with your ‘probably’.

Not a chance that no one would notice. All logged through IT systems, so hitting thresholds for attendance management is automatically triggered through the system.

My LA attendance policy is triggered by more than one occasion in 6 months, an occasion being half a day and/or more than 8 days in a row.. During an absence there is an expectation that contact is made first day, directly with line management and of KIT meetings weekly.

A back to work interview also takes place, before an attendance management plan is agreed with targets set to improve. If these targets are missed, the LA looks at capacity to do the job and ending contract.

Hardly no one notices!

gamerchick · 30/09/2024 21:32

No. I don't get paid if I'm off sick.

Lovelysummerdays · 30/09/2024 21:35

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 30/09/2024 21:27

Is sick leave entitlement even a thing? Confused

Not in any place I have ever worked it isn't. Nor anyone I know.

Civil service, you used to have duvet days. I think it was within your annual leave entitlement but you had extra days over statutory. Five days a year you could just ring up and say you were having a duvet day no questions asked. I was fairly young so was great when you’d popped out for a few after work, overindulged and woke up with a stonking hangover.

Im sure other people had much more sensible reasons.

Pixiedusty · 30/09/2024 21:37

SauviGone · 30/09/2024 19:30

I have also had colleagues take extended period of leave up to 6 months, worked out over a rolling 18 month period so absence triggers do not kick in.

My SIL (NHS) does this - she knows to the exact date when she can next go off sick without triggering the system.

And she always makes a miraculous recovery and is able to return to work on the very day her 6 months full pay is up and is due to switch to half pay.

I hope whoever is tasked with making NHS more efficient sees this.

Wordsmithery · 30/09/2024 21:38

Abusing sick leave makes me really angry. Lots of people struggle in to work because they don't get sick pay other than SSP. So for others to treat sick leave as another form of annual leave is completely immoral. Especially if, like me, you're in the public sector and it's taxpayers money you're wasting.

SweetSakura · 30/09/2024 21:39

Wordsmithery · 30/09/2024 21:38

Abusing sick leave makes me really angry. Lots of people struggle in to work because they don't get sick pay other than SSP. So for others to treat sick leave as another form of annual leave is completely immoral. Especially if, like me, you're in the public sector and it's taxpayers money you're wasting.

Agreed I work in the public sector and I don't understand how people think it is ok to defraud the tax payer. And take from budgets that are already so stretched.

Ziplob · 30/09/2024 21:40

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Pixiedusty · 30/09/2024 21:40

I have heard of people who did this. Guess who was let go first when the redundancy started.

Thfrog · 30/09/2024 21:40

Oh no. I need those days for when I'm actually sick.

FrauleinGreen · 30/09/2024 21:41

We know someone who was off sick every year around Christmas shopping time, with Laryngitis.
They lost their voice without fail, for several weeks, every year, but managed to shop.

WimbyAce · 30/09/2024 21:43

No, I am NHS so have a great sickness pay allowance but only use it when genuinely ill. Use it even less now we can wfh as find without the commute and being office bound I can make it through without calling in sick.

Negligence1 · 30/09/2024 21:44

thicklysettled · 30/09/2024 19:51

Where are people working that there are people taking months of sick leave on a regular basis? Why aren't they being managed out?

A colleague at my last job (nhs nurse at a community hospital) was very guilty of faking taking sick leave. She had it worked out exactly how much she could take, and when to take it, to avoid going down to half pay.

I was working in the office one day, when my line manager and her manager were saying how the colleague had went to a leaving night out, but she had to use a wheelchair, as she said she struggled to walk more than a few meters. I burst out laughing when I eavesdropped and heard this and my manager asked what was so funny about it. I told them that I had been at the same night out (only other staff member there) and the colleague had not used a wheelchair, but had walked in wearing high heels and had danced all night. I didn’t care if anyone thought I was a tell tale, as I was totally pissed off that she was cheating the system and I as well as lots of other staff had been unable to get time off, because we didn’t have any staff to cover.

Another time when she had been off ‘sick’ for 5 and a half months, her GP had signed her off for another month. I said to the manager, when she was doing the rotas, that colleague wouldn’t be off the whole month. When she asked me why, I said that she was due to go onto half pay halfway through that month, so I would bet my house that she would be back before that happened. She phoned in as fit to work 1 day before she would have went onto half pay.

As you will have gathered, I was really annoyed that she was cheating the system and those of us who (some might say foolishly) really cared about our patients and colleagues were struggling in to work, because we didn’t want to leave the hospital dangerously short of staff.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 30/09/2024 21:44

I cant stand people like this. Sick leave is for when you are sick. Using it any other way is totally out of line.

TheChosenTwo · 30/09/2024 21:46

I don’t know what amount of sickness I’d be paid for, i’ve only been with the company for three years and had one day off last year (maybe the year before actually) with a migraine.
Since I’ve started there I’ve noticed a couple of members of staff having the full 6 months off and once the pay reduces to half pay they arrive back. And they stick around to build it back up again and go off again.
However about 3 months ago there was a new much stricter policy that came out adhering much more closely to using the Bradford scale. So they’ve effectively really cracked down on the piss takers which I’m delighted about. They’ve not been off sick since.

Toptotoe · 30/09/2024 21:47

One place I used to work, it was a joke but very true, that there was a ‘sick rota’

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 30/09/2024 21:47

Wordsmithery · 30/09/2024 21:38

Abusing sick leave makes me really angry. Lots of people struggle in to work because they don't get sick pay other than SSP. So for others to treat sick leave as another form of annual leave is completely immoral. Especially if, like me, you're in the public sector and it's taxpayers money you're wasting.

This. ^ I know 4 people who work for the public sector, (all mid 20s to late 30s,) and as far as I know they don't get official 'sick leave entitlement.' They do get paid if they are ill/off sick, but they don't have 'sick leave entitlement' to use as extra leave! (And they don't swing the lead either - and have time off 'sick' to go shopping/get their hair done/have duvet days etc!)

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mynameiscalypso · 30/09/2024 21:50

When people say their sick leave 'entitlement' is that what's in the contract about enhanced sick pay, so 1 week at full pay or whatever? I've never seen that as an entitlement, just the company offering something over and above the statutory minimum.

chisanunian · 30/09/2024 21:53

I view sick leave as exactly that. Time off when you are too ill to go to work.

ALunchbox · 30/09/2024 21:53

I'm quite shocked people do this, and happily freely admit it.