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AIBU for finding this totally annoying?

45 replies

Flippingnora100 · 29/09/2024 02:59

DS is 14. He has a nice group of friends. All gatherings and sleepovers are always at one friend’s house. This friend is really nice, but very indulged, plus has lots of cool stuff at home. His mum is very nice, but also basically puts down no boundaries. Nothing I can do about that, but the thing that drives me crazy is that all the plans are made last minute with no set times for anything, so it really annoys me because I never know what time to pick up etc, meaning it’s hard for me to plan and organize my own time and the rest of the family’s time.

Example: today the boys had been messaging about going fishing. I kept telling my son to ask what time. We didn’t play tennis as planned because we weren’t sure what was happening. No one was really replying or making any concrete plans. Eventually at about 4pm, we assumed it wasn’t happening, so I texted the mum to say that. Ten mins later I got a msg saying they are motivating to go and to meet at the bottom of her road. (They live at the top of a huge hill with a windy road that takes forever to drive up). I took my son, with about an hour of daylight left. I had told him before we got there that he could not sleepover, since it had not been planned in advance. It’s happened before where the sleepover is sprung on me when I’m picking him up and I’ve had to drive home to pick up his stuff and drive it back. The mum said she’d drive the boys to fish and hang out there and wait, then I could pick up DS at the bottom of her road on their way back. Fine.

It gets dark. I’m waiting, not sure when to start cooking dinner. (DH is back today from a long haul business trip and my youngest DS is getting hungry and tired). Eventually I start cooking and I texted the mum to ask if all is ok as it’s dark and to ask what time they’ll be back as I need to make dinner. She replied about 10 mins later to say they were leaving the fishing spot and we agreed to meet at the end of her road 15 mins later. I abandoned dinner and my husband took over. I got there and waited. They pulled up: the mum with four boys in the car. One of my son’s friends then says he has a proposition for me. Can DS sleep over? I was annoyed that this was happening yet again. I pointed out to DS that he had none of his stuff and I was not going home to get it. DS said he’d really like to stay over if at all possible. I relented, but said he’d have to stay over with none of his things eg aligner etc.

I got home without DS. DH was annoyed with me for giving in. Argggghhh. I find it really difficult because I’m happy for my son to be included and I want him to have fun with his friends, but everything always happens at this one friend’s house and nothing is ever planned ahead of time. Eg DS is invited to go over there when I’m at school pick up and sleepovers are usually invited when I’m picking DS up after hanging out at their house. It’s not my son’s fault - he can’t control when he is invited. He has to wait to see what happens. This is why I feel torn. I find it thoughtless of the friend who does the inviting. I’m expected to just drop everything to ferry DS about at the friend’s whim. Now I’ll be spending Sunday wondering when I’m going to be summoned to pick DS up when I’ve got other things to do (including two businesses, another DS and a new puppy).

For context, my DS lovely. We get along really well and he also loves being at home. When he gets invited over there though, he usually really wants to go! They order pizza, play video games, stay up late and have lots of fun.

AIBU?
Yes - I should chill out and be more flexible like all the other parents seem to be.
No - I should tell my son this doesn’t work for me and maybe he should let him friend know that last minute invitations won’t always be accommodated.

OP posts:
VestPantsandSocks · 29/09/2024 03:05

You control the narrative.

Let me know by X time if the plans are going ahead.

We need to finish by X time.

RubyOrca · 29/09/2024 03:10

Why are you revolving your life around the possibility of your son’s plans? Don’t skip tennis just in case your son has something on. Don’t walk out on dinner your son can wait.

Yes your son needs to be told no sometimes because it doesn’t work for you. But it mostly appears that you are the one deciding things can’t happen.

Tell your son to pack a toothbrush when he goes to his friends and that way if he stays over you don’t need to go get stuff for him - you can just not pick him up. If staying over isn’t going to work then say no and drive him home.

Guavafish1 · 29/09/2024 03:13

I think you have to just say no if it causes too much disruption to your plans.

you’re son will soon be old enough to control his social life without his mother… until then, i would say no.

Bearbookagainandagain · 29/09/2024 03:22

Sorry but you do sound very rigid. You certainly shouldn't stop yourself from doing things like tennis or dinner "just in case". If you're busy tomorrow, tell your son what time you'll pick him up.
And your son could certainly have told his friend he wasn't free in the morning for fishing because of tennis, and had to be back at X for dinner.

Relearningbehaviour · 29/09/2024 03:25

The odd flexibility is great. But nothing wrong with boundaries too. There needs to be a balance.

MonsteraMama · 29/09/2024 03:30

Sorry, you sat around until 4pm because your son might have been invited fishing? That's ridiculous. You should've just gone about your day. If the invite came, if it was convenient you could've just dropped him off (with an overnight bag just in case, as it seems fairly sure he'd be invited to sleep over). If inconvenient, it's just a "sorry can't make it this time!".

Stop being so passive, waiting around because people "aren't sure" what's happening! Ask for a concrete answer, if one isn't forthcoming just get on with your day.

Edingril · 29/09/2024 03:35

Why can't you just do whatever and other things fit around this or don't happen

You didn't need to make it some weird massive drama

Flippingnora100 · 29/09/2024 04:24

Sorry, I didn’t sit around all day. I don’t have that much free time! I did stuff all day and DS and I periodically checked our phones to see if the fishing thing was happening or not. The tennis thing - we could have gone ahead with that, but DS really wanted to do the fishing and the time would have overlapped the times his friends were vaguely suggesting. It was just a court. I’ve got another one booked for tomorrow.

DS wasn’t the one planning this trip. He doesn’t even have a fishing rod, so we/he couldn’t dictate the time, place or anything. The only choice was go or don’t go.

If I had gone ahead and just cooked dinner, I would have had to drive a lot further to get him (and not been able to intercept them on their way home).

Good point about sending DS with a toothbrush in future just in case. I didn’t want to send him with a bag (we live abroad where petty theft is common and it might have got stolen in a car parked at the beach), but yes, I could have sent a toothbrush and aligners.

I’m not sure what the massive drama I made was. I wrote how I was feeling. I didn’t do or say anything dramatic in the situation itself, unless you count me saying I wasn’t up for driving home and back again with his stuff as dramatic.

OP posts:
CuriousGeorge80 · 29/09/2024 04:45

You need to take back control. Just because you aren’t organising the trip doesn’t mean you can’t control it,

Today’s example - you or he text and say yea, would love to come but either (a) it needs to be before 2 or (b) I will be playing tennis so after 4. Then stick to it. If you don’t hear by 2, go and play tennis and go from there. You also message the mum and ask if it’s sleep overs. If she says no then you tell your son that he isn’t sleeping over and you don’t go back on that later when she changes her mind.

Tomorrow morning, text him or the mum and say I can pick you up at 10am or 2pm. Let me know either way by 9am or I will be there at 10 to get you. And stick to it. If you go at 10 and he isn’t there, say you can’t collect later sorry and she will need to drop him home.

EatingHealthy · 29/09/2024 05:28

Firstly he's 14 - why are you texting the other Mum? He's plenty old enough to be managing his own social life and communicating with you.

Secondly why are you working everything you do around your ds? Make your own plans and if what your ds wants to do doesn't work with them either he can't do whatever or he has to work out logistics and transport for himself - once he's had to miss a few things because you can't give him a lift unless you've had reasonable notice, he'll learn to start making plans with his friends in advance. You're doing him no favours jumping to his every whim.

You say that the other Mum puts down no boundaries, but you're the one who's responsible for your son's boundaries, and you're the one who's not putting any down.

The answer to 'can I stay over tonight?' should have been - 'I've just interrupted making dinner to come and collect you. No, you're coming home with me.' Then if he ever wants to stay over in future he and his friends know he has to call you and ask you before you turn out to pick him up.
Actually before that - when the invitation came at 4 you should have either said, 'no it's nearly dark, but the time you get there it'll be dinnertime, you can go another time' or 'ok, but i can only collect you if you're back by x so ask them what time you'll be home'. Then if they aren't back at the time they say next time he asks to go he can't because they messed you around this time.

HappiestSleeping · 29/09/2024 05:42

EatingHealthy · 29/09/2024 05:28

Firstly he's 14 - why are you texting the other Mum? He's plenty old enough to be managing his own social life and communicating with you.

Secondly why are you working everything you do around your ds? Make your own plans and if what your ds wants to do doesn't work with them either he can't do whatever or he has to work out logistics and transport for himself - once he's had to miss a few things because you can't give him a lift unless you've had reasonable notice, he'll learn to start making plans with his friends in advance. You're doing him no favours jumping to his every whim.

You say that the other Mum puts down no boundaries, but you're the one who's responsible for your son's boundaries, and you're the one who's not putting any down.

The answer to 'can I stay over tonight?' should have been - 'I've just interrupted making dinner to come and collect you. No, you're coming home with me.' Then if he ever wants to stay over in future he and his friends know he has to call you and ask you before you turn out to pick him up.
Actually before that - when the invitation came at 4 you should have either said, 'no it's nearly dark, but the time you get there it'll be dinnertime, you can go another time' or 'ok, but i can only collect you if you're back by x so ask them what time you'll be home'. Then if they aren't back at the time they say next time he asks to go he can't because they messed you around this time.

This 👆 but with the additional question of why you are ferrying him around at 14? Unless you live in the wilds of nowhere, can he not make his own way to his friend? I was cycling everywhere at that age. My mum was certainly not my taxi service.

Hercisback1 · 29/09/2024 05:48

He's 14 and this reads like he's 4.

Let the kids make arrangements and stay out of it and crack on with your life.

Bestyearever2024 · 29/09/2024 05:50

but the thing that drives me crazy is that all the plans are made last minute with no set times for anything, so it really annoys me because I never know what time to pick up etc, meaning it’s hard for me to plan and organize my own time and the rest of the family’s time.

You need to explain to your DS that you and he can't live your lives waiting for a friend to contact you because 'DS really wants to go fishing'

If friend suggests something you and DS need to say yes. That's great we can come over now or at 4pm

No other available times

Then live your lives

If this means that DS misses out on things. - remind him of the non-existent fishing trip and explain again that you can't live your lives around friends schedule

AbraAbraCadabra · 29/09/2024 05:53

Why are you micromanaging the social life of a 14 year old? Let him get on with it and get himself over to his friends and back again. I can't believe you still seem to arranging play date with your 14 year pld's friend's mother! If he wants to stay over, he can pack his own stuff and sort that out. Stop babying him and get on with whatever it is you need to do. He's 14 not

FawnFrenchieMum · 29/09/2024 05:54

I think you need to step back a bit. Set your boundaries early…

DS I’m happy for you to do what ever today but I’m not available between x & y to take you as I have tennis and if your not home by z then your dinner will be in the microwave. Also don’t ask me to collect you at dinner time. Have you thought about what you need to take in case plans chance as I wont be running around after you.

DD is 12 but I’ve started the above, she has one friend that every time she goes she ends up asking if she can stay. So now I say, take your stuff just in case as I’m not running up and down.

Zapx · 29/09/2024 05:56

I’m not sure why you’re texting the mum at all? He’s 14- very capable of sorting these things out I’d presume? He just needs to let you know if he needs a lift and when, let him sort it out.

HolyPeaches · 29/09/2024 06:22

Sorry but this is mental. When I was 14, my mother never had this level of involvement with my friends and plans.

Can he not sort these things out himself? Is he capable of walking to friends houses or catching public transport? Why do you need to taxi him everywhere?

I find it thoughtless of the friend who does the inviting.

They’re 14 year old lads ffs. Most adult men don’t plan ahead for things. A lot of sleepovers are spur the moment with teenagers.

Now I’ll be spending Sunday wondering when I’m going to be summoned to pick DS up when I’ve got other things to do

Dont pick him up. Tell him to walk or catch the bus. He’s 14 not 4.

Spend your Sunday doing the other things you have to do. Let go of the reins!

Ineffable23 · 29/09/2024 06:30

How accessible is where you live to cycling?

My parents never said I couldn't go to anything, they just refused to give me a lift and made me cycle if it was inconvenient for them.

MumChp · 29/09/2024 06:37

14?
Leave it to him and get on with your plans.

TealPoet · 29/09/2024 06:50

I don’t think this is in any way a problem with your son so it shouldn’t be him you’re saying no to. Speak to the mum directly: tell her that with what’s on your plate you need times so could that please happen. Have your son pack for a sleepover each time - he shouldn’t need much and then if he’s invited he can go, if not there’s not much lost. I agree the mum is rude but I doubt she means or sees it that way, and your DS sounds lovely and obviously benefits from the friendship so it’s probably wise to roll with it to a reasonable degree.

Sgtmajormummy · 29/09/2024 06:51

The thing that sticks out to me is that your husband comes home from a long haul trip, has to pick up cooking dinner from his stressed-out wife and doesn’t see his son.
Family is more important than last-minute sleepovers and 1 hour of fishing. The 14yo can have a social life next weekend and give his parents theirs this time.

At 14, of course I was still monitoring their social life, sorting lifts with other parents and being mom’s taxi. Last minute plans involving me often got a “no”.

Miyagi99 · 29/09/2024 06:51

At 14 I’d be letting him sort it out and only help if I genuinely had no plans. If you’re busy he’d have to sort out a lift etc himself. I would expect to be kept updated though.

Milkandacookie · 29/09/2024 07:03

I don't think I even have the numbers of most of my 15 year old friends. At 14 she was definitely arranging things herself and I'd just be mums taxi. There's a group of 6or 7 of them and I've not been in the houses. Or sometimes they meet as t the beach.

They are all spread out and too far to cycle and buses are a complicated have to take two and takes much longer but she will do that occasionally if I'm stuck.

Do t put your life on hold for plans that aren't made yet. But also I like firm plans ages in advance and I've had to accept 14 year odls do t work like that. They have a conversation at school (or online),and then want to do something that day...

FasterMichelin · 29/09/2024 07:14

It sounds like you're passive but upright behind the scenes.

Why did you wait until 4pm, one hour before it starts getting dark, to text? Why didn't you ask your son to let you know by X time or it's not happening?

You say this other friend is spoilt but it sounds like you do the same to your son, and he knows it. Why are they all going to get organised and prepare in advance when the mums bend over backwards to make it happen?

Your husband was right, you should have just said no to the sleepover if you didn't want him to sleepover. Same with dinner, just make it?

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 29/09/2024 07:19

Now I’ll be spending Sunday wondering when I’m going to be summoned to pick DS up when I’ve got other things to do

But this is ridiculous. Tell him what time you are picking him up when you agree to let him go. Or let him make his own way home if that's possible.
Obviously it's good to be flexible, as plans to change last minute. But I wouldn't be completely changing the day I had planned because I had to be waiting around to be told when to pick him up. If I had things to do, his pick up needs to fit in with that, or he can't go.