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To wonder how on earth they will sentence a 96 year old?!

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dreamer24 · 28/09/2024 22:52

news.sky.com/story/woman-96-admits-causing-death-of-pedestrian-after-she-panicked-and-mounted-the-kerb-13204265

A 96 year old woman killed a woman in her 70s after she lost control of her car. Due to be sentenced on Monday, apparently. It's obviously completely tragic that a woman has died, but I can't imagine a woman who is almost 100 will get a custodial sentence?

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GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:36

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 10:30

Taxis won’t drive out to the village.

Do you have experience of living in rural areas?

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In many countries, it’s accepted that a rural taxi will need booking in advance and you will have to pay a lot more, to cover the cost of the driver’s time in driving out there. If people are prepared to pay for this cost, I see no reason why rural areas should not be able to get taxis; most taxi drivers prefer long journeys provided they are fully compensated for their time.

Additional costs are annoying, but it’s part of the deal when people choose to retire in rural areas. I think aging in rural areas works best when people are “generationally rural” (farming communities etc.) and have established networks of family members and neighbors around them who are happy to help out with lifts, picking up shopping and so on.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:37

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:36

In many countries, it’s accepted that a rural taxi will need booking in advance and you will have to pay a lot more, to cover the cost of the driver’s time in driving out there. If people are prepared to pay for this cost, I see no reason why rural areas should not be able to get taxis; most taxi drivers prefer long journeys provided they are fully compensated for their time.

Additional costs are annoying, but it’s part of the deal when people choose to retire in rural areas. I think aging in rural areas works best when people are “generationally rural” (farming communities etc.) and have established networks of family members and neighbors around them who are happy to help out with lifts, picking up shopping and so on.

They won’t come.

itwasnevermine · 29/09/2024 14:40

PattiSmithsPattis · 29/09/2024 14:35

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2nkv3j7e6o
This happened near me. So very sad. Poor parents.

I think regular retesting is required.
Not just eye sight.
My opinion on whether the lady to whom we're talking about should go to prison, as the charge is such, a custodial is prescribed. But as the law stands, a suspended sentence is classed as custodial.
Is it in the publics interest to lock her up costing thousands?

If she was a 21 year old man who had killed someone in a car accident everyone would say she should be locked up

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:41

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:37

They won’t come.

Have you approached a taxi company and discussed paying for the full cost of the journey from the town to the village in addition to the cost of the journey taken from that point outwards?

If you have offered to do this and they still won’t send a taxi (no idea why they would refuse this, maybe they are frightened of tractors or think anywhere outside towns has werewolves), then people in your area who cannot drive safely and have nobody to help them out need to move to another area, sorry. It is not OK to endanger other people on the road.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:45

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:41

Have you approached a taxi company and discussed paying for the full cost of the journey from the town to the village in addition to the cost of the journey taken from that point outwards?

If you have offered to do this and they still won’t send a taxi (no idea why they would refuse this, maybe they are frightened of tractors or think anywhere outside towns has werewolves), then people in your area who cannot drive safely and have nobody to help them out need to move to another area, sorry. It is not OK to endanger other people on the road.

Great advice 😂😂 so well informed

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:48

I assume the answer to my question is “no,” then.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:49

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:48

I assume the answer to my question is “no,” then.

You think it’s not occurred to anyone to offer to pay the taxi driver for his time over the last 10 years?

FloydGerhardt · 29/09/2024 14:50

itwasnevermine · 29/09/2024 14:40

If she was a 21 year old man who had killed someone in a car accident everyone would say she should be locked up

But she’s not a 21 year old man.
This was a 21 year old man though and he was sentenced to 26 months, that’s all plus he tried to pervert the course of justice unlike the 96 year old.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/hit-and-run-driver-who-killed-loving-northampton-father-granted-day-release-from-prison-just-two-months-after-sentencing-1346098

itwasnevermine · 29/09/2024 14:50

@FloydGerhardt so you think justice should be different depending on the age and gender of a person?

FloydGerhardt · 29/09/2024 14:51

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:48

I assume the answer to my question is “no,” then.

Maybe it’s the customer rather than the village.

Completelyjo · 29/09/2024 14:51

@FloydGerhardt But she’s not a 21 year old man.

Why is that relevant though? Age or sex shouldn’t come into play in terms of sentencing when you have ended someone’s life.
A 96 year old woman shouldn’t be treated any differently to a 21 year old under similar circumstances.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:53

FloydGerhardt · 29/09/2024 14:51

Maybe it’s the customer rather than the village.

Have I hurt your feelings, Floyd? I’m really very sorry.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:54

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:49

You think it’s not occurred to anyone to offer to pay the taxi driver for his time over the last 10 years?

I’ve no idea as I don’t know your village.

TENSsion · 29/09/2024 14:56

GreenTeaLikesMe · 29/09/2024 14:54

I’ve no idea as I don’t know your village.

Ok. Well, politely, yes, it has occurred to everyone.

Lovemycat2023 · 29/09/2024 15:09

What on earth does this mean? In the article it says “The accelerator pedal fell down beneath her foot, she panicked and failed to react to that." That’s from her lawyer so the story she’s given him in instruction.

That suggests she doesn’t accept she accidentally pushed down on it. Pedals don’t fall down.

Lovemycat2023 · 29/09/2024 15:12

Somanypiessolittletime · 29/09/2024 12:51

Agreed. 100% support free public transport for the elderly

And also ensuring that bus services are available to rural areas and villages so they don’t get cut off. Even if that means subsidising the services.

FloydGerhardt · 29/09/2024 15:16

itwasnevermine · 29/09/2024 14:50

@FloydGerhardt so you think justice should be different depending on the age and gender of a person?

I didn’t say that, I was pointing out that they’re not a 21 year old male so the comparison is pointless. I then shared an article showing the sentence for a 21 year old that not only killed a pedestrian but tried to tamper with evidence and how lenient the sentence was. She won’t go to prison, the 21 year old did. I don’t hand out the sentence. If you feel it’s unjust tell your MP as they can do more than I can.

EdgeOfSixty · 29/09/2024 15:42

Afterrain · 28/09/2024 23:28

Personally l believe that you should resityour test every 10 years until you are 65. Then yearly Doctors certification. And resit a test every year from pension age.
My MIL never had to sit a test as she grew up on a farm after ww2. She hadn't a clue on town roads or motorways

Where are all the driving examiners needed to do this coming from?
Currently the waiting time for driving tests for new drivers is at least 24 weeks in many areas, including all of London.
It would take ages to get enough examiners trained up.
It should be made easier for bad drivers of any age to be reported to the DVLA, a practical driving assessment and maybe license revoked if necessary.
GP and hospital doctors should be required to report anyone with cognitive decline or mobility problems to the DVLA for assessment.
The current 'system' doesn't work properly.
Families/friends should also report anyone they think needs assessment, instead of worrying about the person's independence being removed.

countrygirl99 · 29/09/2024 15:47

It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to develop a simulation to test speed and distance perception and hazard awareness. That with a compulsory eye test would probably pick up 99% of problem elderly drivers. Would certainly have weeded out all the older drivers we've ever been concerned about. Should be easier and cheaper to implement than a practical driving test.

FloydGerhardt · 29/09/2024 15:49

Lovemycat2023 · 29/09/2024 15:09

What on earth does this mean? In the article it says “The accelerator pedal fell down beneath her foot, she panicked and failed to react to that." That’s from her lawyer so the story she’s given him in instruction.

That suggests she doesn’t accept she accidentally pushed down on it. Pedals don’t fall down.

The guilty plea suggests that she accepts responsibility for the incident. The car would have had a full forensic vehicle examination, if there was a fault with the pedals the vehicle examiner would have found it.

ginasevern · 29/09/2024 15:50

itwasnevermine · 29/09/2024 14:40

If she was a 21 year old man who had killed someone in a car accident everyone would say she should be locked up

I agree but it's also worth noting that young male drivers are the main cause of fatal road collisions in the UK.

whiskeyarmadillo · 29/09/2024 16:42

My 86 year old MIL still drives despite family asking her not to. It's a disaster waiting to happen. She values her independence more than other people's safety.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 29/09/2024 17:17

countrygirl99 · 29/09/2024 15:47

It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to develop a simulation to test speed and distance perception and hazard awareness. That with a compulsory eye test would probably pick up 99% of problem elderly drivers. Would certainly have weeded out all the older drivers we've ever been concerned about. Should be easier and cheaper to implement than a practical driving test.

This. I don't believe a full driving test is necessary every few years. It's a while since I took mine so I don't know if this still happens but so what if someone crosses their hands over, doesn't reverse tight to the corner or touches the kerb on a 3 point turn? Eyesight and reaction times are the most important things.

PattiSmithsPattis · 29/09/2024 17:30

@itwasnevermine, the expectation would be that the 21 year old man would be released and be able to drive again (unless he had a lifetime ban)
The difference here is this woman has surrendered her licence and if she was convicted and banned she probably wouldn't see the end of her ban.

laraitopbanana · 29/09/2024 18:37

😓💔

poor ladies! Licences should be « helped » after a certain age. You can’t stop people needing to drive so some support need to come from there but such a horrible accident…