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To think this ring has been changed

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Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 00:41

Long story short.. I was left a sapphire and diamond ring, I think the diamonds are original but family have a feeling a certain family member has swapped out the sapphire. I’ve cleaned it as best as I can and am able to shine a light from underneath which makes the gem shine green/blueish and appear murky. From above with no light the gem is very dark/almost black
wondering if anyone on here would be able to identify if this is fake or the original? There seems to have been some lighter blue stripes appear where I’ve maybe scraped the dirt from underneath (in first image) a little harder?

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LittleBearPad · 28/09/2024 09:05

It’s very pretty op and lovely colour now it’s cleaned.

Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 09:07

YellowphantGrey · 28/09/2024 08:58

AJW will be the maker of the wrong but I don't know what 7599 is. 750 is 18 karat gold and 833 is 20 karat gold

Any other markings on there?

It’s soooo tiny I’ve got the best pic I can but here

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LondonJax · 28/09/2024 09:10

I'd second getting an independent jeweller to take a look. I think the scratches are inclusions (i.e. part of the natural stone) but they'd know for sure.

Plus, if it is of any value you may need to get it added as a special item on your contents insurance. So worth getting a valuation from them which would mean a proper appraisal of the stones.

Lovely ring.

Biffatcrafts · 28/09/2024 09:11

With the "lines" you refer to it makes me wonder if it could be a star sapphire? A good jeweller will be able to tell you. It's a very lovely ring OP .

YellowphantGrey · 28/09/2024 09:11

Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 09:07

It’s soooo tiny I’ve got the best pic I can but here

I can't see it clearly, I can't even see my own clearly 😂

It's a beautiful ring though. Will you wear it? I love family jewellery and the stories behind them

GrumpyOldGran · 28/09/2024 09:14

Pale blue sapphires are the most valuable usually. I doubt the stone has been swapped. It wouldn't be worth the effort or cost.

GrumpyOldGran · 28/09/2024 09:16

For hallmarks you can usually see where it was made (for instance a lion), the carat of the gold, and possibly the maker's initials. You need a magnifying glass to read them.

Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 09:18

I’ve managed to make out the 750 on the band meaning it’s 18k gold

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LadyPoison · 28/09/2024 09:22

Looks like 18ct, Birmingham ? ( an anchor) and possibly a 1978 date letter. AJW will be the maker and the 7599 probably a catalogue or model number

godmum56 · 28/09/2024 09:25

Onthemaintrunkline · 28/09/2024 02:43

Isn’t the darker the sapphire the more expensive it is? It’s a beautiful ring and will be more so once it’s professionally cleaned. The answer to your question is interesting though. Once you find out will you post again please?

no. the dark ones are not as valuable and the more blue ones.

Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 09:27

LadyPoison · 28/09/2024 09:22

Looks like 18ct, Birmingham ? ( an anchor) and possibly a 1978 date letter. AJW will be the maker and the 7599 probably a catalogue or model number

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slightly clearer image
our family is from London and the maker was London based but not sure how hallmarking works as in it could have come from Birmingham?

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godmum56 · 28/09/2024 09:28

LadyPoison · 28/09/2024 08:24

That does look a lot better! Gemstones need light to be able to pass through them to sparkle and all that dirt was in the way!

Sapphires come in a very wide range of colours. I saw some gorgeous pink ones yesterday and I have some yellow ones I need to set.

I would still get it checked by a jeweller as you’ve said the claws are damaged. They can check the setting is still secure and confirm what the centre stone is. It’s quite hard to scratch a sapphire which is one reason they are popular in engagement rings. The rock app isn’t going to help here. You need good light and a loupe.

Is it hallmarked? If it is, that can give you a load of information. Take a picture on your phone and zoom in.

yup, the only colour that sapphire does not come in is red because red sapphires are rubies.

Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 09:29

LadyPoison · 28/09/2024 09:22

Looks like 18ct, Birmingham ? ( an anchor) and possibly a 1978 date letter. AJW will be the maker and the 7599 probably a catalogue or model number

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I think it’s a ship rather than an anchor

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jeaux90 · 28/09/2024 09:29

OP what you do need to do is take it in to the jewellery shop to have it serviced. The amount of people who don't do this every few years shocks me and then they are surprised when the stones fall out.

CuriousRunner · 28/09/2024 09:31

OP that's come up beautifully!!

I love antique jewellery. I follow a WHOLE HEAP of folks on IG selling antique rings. 😍

I agree that secondhand jewellery is a shockingly low price. Not to derail, but there seem to be some knowledgeable people on this thread. Where can I learn more about gem stones? I have the occasional hankering to buy stones. Then, where are these retailers finding the second hand jewellery?!! Personally I'd MUCH rather spend money on something old to new 😍

godmum56 · 28/09/2024 09:45

CuriousRunner · 28/09/2024 09:31

OP that's come up beautifully!!

I love antique jewellery. I follow a WHOLE HEAP of folks on IG selling antique rings. 😍

I agree that secondhand jewellery is a shockingly low price. Not to derail, but there seem to be some knowledgeable people on this thread. Where can I learn more about gem stones? I have the occasional hankering to buy stones. Then, where are these retailers finding the second hand jewellery?!! Personally I'd MUCH rather spend money on something old to new 😍

can I ask what IG is please?

oakleaffy · 28/09/2024 09:45

Biffatcrafts · 28/09/2024 09:11

With the "lines" you refer to it makes me wonder if it could be a star sapphire? A good jeweller will be able to tell you. It's a very lovely ring OP .

Star sapphires are cut as cabochons and the asterism is very obvious, it appears to move and 'float' in the stone especially in direct light.

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oakleaffy · 28/09/2024 09:46

godmum56 · 28/09/2024 09:45

can I ask what IG is please?

Instagram.

GingerPirate · 28/09/2024 09:49

GRex · 28/09/2024 07:22

You think so? That could mean a higher price, so I guess someone could swap a cheap sapphire for a more expensive one. The effort and possible damage to the ring, along with the dirt, make it seem really unlikely.

New ones of similar size retail for around 8K,
given quality of stone, setting and the metal used.

CuriousRunner · 28/09/2024 09:51

@godmum56 Instagram

BustingBaoBun · 28/09/2024 10:03

CuriousRunner · 28/09/2024 09:31

OP that's come up beautifully!!

I love antique jewellery. I follow a WHOLE HEAP of folks on IG selling antique rings. 😍

I agree that secondhand jewellery is a shockingly low price. Not to derail, but there seem to be some knowledgeable people on this thread. Where can I learn more about gem stones? I have the occasional hankering to buy stones. Then, where are these retailers finding the second hand jewellery?!! Personally I'd MUCH rather spend money on something old to new 😍

Can I suggest looking at auctions? Our nearest auction house has monthly auctions, and every 3-4 months they specialise in jewellery. I recently bought an emerald circled by diamonds ring, 18k. I took it to my independent jeweller for cleaning and resizing and he could not believe the low price I paid for it.
I watch the auction live online and bid when the lot I'm interested in comes up.
It's too too easy 🤣
Just bear in mind there is always a buyers (and sellers) premium applied by the auction house

Tahlbias · 28/09/2024 10:03

Is it a black sapphire? Mine is a black sapphire.

Tahlbias · 28/09/2024 10:09

This is mine, a black sapphire. Although it is a little scratched on top.

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Ondonotdisturb · 28/09/2024 10:15

Tahlbias · 28/09/2024 10:03

Is it a black sapphire? Mine is a black sapphire.

I don’t think it’s a black sapphire as it shines blue when there’s light through it. Does appear black whilst being worn though. Yours is very pretty

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RareitySparkles · 28/09/2024 10:16

BustingBaoBun · 28/09/2024 10:03

Can I suggest looking at auctions? Our nearest auction house has monthly auctions, and every 3-4 months they specialise in jewellery. I recently bought an emerald circled by diamonds ring, 18k. I took it to my independent jeweller for cleaning and resizing and he could not believe the low price I paid for it.
I watch the auction live online and bid when the lot I'm interested in comes up.
It's too too easy 🤣
Just bear in mind there is always a buyers (and sellers) premium applied by the auction house

I can never understand How to find out about these? I have looked at my local ones but I can see any jewellery ones. Or how to watch the auctions live.

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