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To ask about your opinion on the RSPCA after Brian May resignation

287 replies

Meadowlands · 27/09/2024 21:36

He has resigned because the RSPCA's response to poor animal welfare was completely inadequate.
When I reported an animal in distress, they refused to investigate, and it was left to my local animal shelter -which is struggling for money - to come to the rescue.
I find it all extremely concerning. Does anyone else have any experiences?

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Lolalady · 29/09/2024 18:46

They are useless. Contacted them about 2 horses in a muddy field with no hay or drinking water, wearing tatty rugs that were waterlogged. Didn’t want to know. Horse Charity eventually rescued them

SunflowerSeahorse · 29/09/2024 19:01

My Mum was always a dog person, would never have a pet cat. However, she was an animal lover and never wanted any animals to suffer.
We had a stray cat coming into our garden, very thin except for its obvious pregnancy. Mum put food out for her and removed ticks from her whilst she was eating. She put a box on its side, full of straw, in case the cat looked for shelter to give birth. And then she rang the RSPCA.
The man who arrived was rude, arrogant and accused Mum of owning the cat and not wanting it now it was pregnant. Mum - a fiery Cockney - lost her shit with him and marched him off the premises. We contacted a local cat rescue who came to collect the cat.
Mum would never donate a penny to them from that day onwards, and neither would I. I have supported small, independent rescue places and would encourage everyone else to do the same.

PaininthePreferbial · 29/09/2024 19:11

From so many of these stories it sounds like the training of their 'officers' must be more about intimidation and threatening people than doing anything to help animals. That makes them no better than fucking thugs.

We need one of these undercover Dispatches programmes or suchlike to bring the fuckers down.

PeepDeBeaul · 29/09/2024 19:19

Rescued a cat from them. It had a treatable underlying issue behind his eye infections that their vet claimed was made up by our vet. They said we could surrender the cat back but they wouldn't treat his condition as they disagreed he had it. This cat had 6 eye infections in 18 months. Well I've been with that vet years. We paid for the op. £1000 total Inc meds and check ups. Symptoms have never returned in 4 more years.

Also called them when our old neighbours but rat poison out in an open bowl. They hated our cats. RSPCA can't help unless an animal is sick and we can prove their poison did it

pollymere · 29/09/2024 19:43

I just heard that locally they refused to help two dogs and a rabbit in distress. And then someone else said they'd been told to drown kittens!

Withywoods · 29/09/2024 19:48

I've called them about horses that were clearly being neglected before. Absolutely no use whatsoever. I know lots of other people who have had the same experience. I haven't had to call them about a small animal so no idea what they're like with them, but horses seem to have to literally be at death's door for them to take any interest whatsoever. I have never known them to intervene before the situation is absolutely critical, and their standards for the level of care an owner should be providing to prevent them coming out are woefully inadequate. It makes me furious when I think of the needless suffering animals go through because the RSPCA seem to have some kind of bizarre policy against early intervention in cases of neglect.

MeridianB · 29/09/2024 19:52

Good for Brian - this will hit them where it hurts with bad publicity, I really hope they take a long hard look at themselves and their priorities now.

The few times I have called them they have been hopeless - takes ages to get through, then they are totally disinterested and suggest local shelter.

cornflakecrunchie · 29/09/2024 19:57

Waste of time. Won't ever support them, especially since I read of RSPCA staff creaming money off publicly raised funds. Good for Brian May.

angela1952 · 29/09/2024 20:01

woolflower · 27/09/2024 21:44

RSPCA also turned us away when we called about an injured fox that was hanging around in our garden.

We were told to contact a local shelter, who despite being 100% volunteer run and significantly underfunded were very helpful.

Yes, we had a similar thing happen to us. A fox with cubs in our garden was obviously injured. What do they do with their money?

PollyPeachum · 29/09/2024 20:03

They are not underfunded they have money for several years running costs in the bank. As have the RNLI.
According to newspaper analysis.

Bruisername · 29/09/2024 20:05

I posted upthread a link from them that shows how they spend their money. 82% on animal welfare.

I wonder how much on

  • call centre staff trained to say ‘can’t help’
  • filtering through calls to find easy targets
  • putting down healthy animals
  • training their inspectors to be total arses
Allthehorsesintheworld · 29/09/2024 20:06

Only time I’ve called them was to a horse I passed in a field that looked in really poor shape, very underweight. Person I spoke to took exact directions and a lot of detail from me but I don’t know if it was followed up. It was in a city about 30 miles away.

Flopsythebunny · 29/09/2024 20:17

They are a waste of space. I they asked a friend of mine to foster 12 rabbits, assuring her that they would pay for /provide food and veterinary treatment for them until they found new home.
Not only did she have to provide the food herself with no recompense, they also ghosted her when the rabbits needed to see a vet so she ended up paying herself.
She was a pensioner on a small fixed income and really struggled

Toptops · 29/09/2024 20:24

Shocking stories. I had no idea.

Landloper · 29/09/2024 20:42

RSPCA has become a farce over the century since it was founded. Its approved 'high standard welfare' farms have been exposed as anything but high standard. Their 2023-2030 strategy does not include tackling the problem of ritual slaughter where the animal is not stunned before having its throat slit. In 2023: 24,000 cattle (0.9% of all slaughtered), 22 millions of chickens (2.3% of all slaughtered), and 2.7 millions of sheep (22.6% of all slaughtered). No animals slaughtered according to the Kosher ritual are stunned, while 35% of those killed according to the Halal ritual are not stunned [source for the all percentages quoted is the Food Standards Agency]. What the RSPCA excels at is relieving the public of their money.

Astrak · 29/09/2024 20:53

I loathe the RSPCA with a passion. Some years ago, they were called to deal with a group of starving Arabian horses and a flock of extremely neglected sheep. Eventually, after a lot of wasted time, they attended and removed all the animals. Very highly respected Arabian horse owners offered free places and rehabilitation. This was refused. The RSPCA took the horses and shot them. The sheep were left there and they died of neglect. The owners were taken to Court and found guilty, but didn't get imprisoned because they pleaded mental and physical ill health had prevented them from being able to cope.

Fohxy · 29/09/2024 21:04

The RSPCA are only interested in helping if they think they can get a prosecution, and therefore receive the proceeds of the fine.
I was maliciously reported by a neighbour who we were having problems with and they turned up as if I had been neglecting my pet as I was accused they could have prosecuted me. (And for reference there was no neglect).

However I know many people in my town have asked the RSPCA for help with wild animals which are injured, or stray cats etc and they refuse to help at all.
I wouldn't give them a single penny.

PeachShaker · 29/09/2024 21:24

UWell I’m out of touch and didn’t know Brian May resigned but I wouldn’t imagine he’d do that lightly given how much he cares for animals and wildlife.

One of my recent RSPSA experiences is with a lady calling my bat rescue about a bat in her garden that had been there 2 days since the RSPCA phone adviser told her to put the bat on her compost heap (in the day) and let it fly. Grounded bats won’t fly unless target are treated for whatever ails them, or given time to recover. Maybe just fluids.

Grounded bats may have badly torn or broken wings meaning long rehab or euthanasia is indicated, or may be pups needing specialist care.

In this case the unfortunate bat had a broken forearm and given local vet expertise was not able to be helped beyond releasing suffering with euthanasia. It’s horrible to imagine it lying there scared and in agony for 2 days, thirsty and hungry. And all because of bad advice.

I can’t form an opinion of the whole organisation based on this BUT given other similar cases I will definitely not trust phone advice and will not recommend calling the RSPCA for wildlife unless it’s to try to find someone to euthanise a road injured deer. However I believe the police can help with this.

Allotmenthelp · 29/09/2024 21:34

These stories are awful. I’ve only ever had one dealing with them when I found an injured stray in my garden and they were brilliant. I called them and they came round quickly with a cat trap and picked him up as soon as he was caught. They put posters up in the local area trying to find an owner, neutered him, treated his injuries and gave him vaccinations. I ended up adopting him and they didn’t charge a penny although I did donate. Maybe it depends on area however it shows we were very lucky.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 29/09/2024 22:15

mumda · 28/09/2024 13:48

Running costs would be far less. Redundancy costs might be a big part but you only close a charity when you are winding it down or get closed down.
Other costs go down in the winding up process.

Not everything goes down instantly - if you have to buy your way out of contacts, yes you may negotiate to reduce the amount, but that's not guaranteed.

I'm facing having to do this next year, albeit on a much smaller scale than the RSPCA.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 29/09/2024 22:31

The RSPCA took the horses and shot them. The sheep were left there and they died of neglect.

So they deliberately killed healthy, re-homeable animals and willingly ignored the neglect of others when they knew the situation very clearly? Sounds like they should have prosecuted themselves.

I ended up adopting him and they didn’t charge a penny although I did donate.

But to them, and their obsession with things that will make them a profit, it was probably all calculated. If it's a chance of a prosecution from which they can benefit, or if it's a very straightforward welfare check in a prosperous area, alerted by a well-spoken householder, which will likely lead to a generous regular monthly donation, it keeps the money conveyor belt turning one way or another - irrespective of the animals involved or their circumstances and needs.

Allotmenthelp · 29/09/2024 23:07

@TheHangingGardensOfBasildon I hadn’t thought of it like that. I did also feel under pressure to adopt him as they told me he couldn’t go to a rescue as he was vicious. He isn’t at all now but I do think they would have had him PTS if I hadn’t have taken him in.

TheFormidableMrsC · 29/09/2024 23:30

Astrak · 29/09/2024 20:53

I loathe the RSPCA with a passion. Some years ago, they were called to deal with a group of starving Arabian horses and a flock of extremely neglected sheep. Eventually, after a lot of wasted time, they attended and removed all the animals. Very highly respected Arabian horse owners offered free places and rehabilitation. This was refused. The RSPCA took the horses and shot them. The sheep were left there and they died of neglect. The owners were taken to Court and found guilty, but didn't get imprisoned because they pleaded mental and physical ill health had prevented them from being able to cope.

This sounds similar to the situation I and many others reported. Except they were rehomed Household Calvary horses, it was all status and "look at me" rather than the realities of caring and paying for animals that needed a huge amount of extra care. The sheep they had were despatched North of the border because they were breaking Defra laws. All of us went back to the Household Cavalry who were helpful and seemed to be shocked at what was being reported but no idea if they did anything. Even visitors to the place reported the appalling state of the horses. Even pictures of a Calvary horse that was dead and dragged out of a field seemed to bring an excuse from the RSPCA. Absolutely grim.

Harmonypus · 30/09/2024 03:12

I've had several bad experiences with this horrible organisation, so please excuse the length of this post, but I really want people to know exactly how corrupt they are.

It started about 15yrs ago, with half a dozen local, 11&12yr old hooligans, killing two of my pedigree breeding cats, and when I called the police and rspca about it, the rspca seized the rest of my (very expensive) cats, tried demanding that I provide them with all their pedigree papers and sign them all over to them (evidently, so they could then sell them on at their full value of between £700 and £2,000 each). I refused to provide any papers or to sign them over, so they took me to court and had me banned from keeping cats for several years because I'd allegedly 'not kept the ones that were killed, safe', despite them having been living quite happily in a locked pen, in my garden, that also had a locked gate.
Whilst waiting to go to court, they allowed two of my cats to mate, and when we got into court, they also tried to make me get the resulting 5 kittens registered and to provide pedigree papers for them (with papers, these kittens could fetch as much as £1,000 each).
Thankfully, I was able to explain to the judge that cats are pregnant for 9 weeks, and that the kittens had been born 5 months after my cats had been seized, so the pregnancy had occurred either as a result of the rspca's negligence or it was an illegal mating, so the court ruled against them on that part of the case, although they did impose a ban, so all my cats (14 in all) were awarded to the rspca, but they never did get papers for them, so they were only able to sell them on at a fraction of their actual value.
About 6 months into the ban, I was with a friend walking her dog in the park, and we saw a man carrying a wriggling pillowcase, walking towards the lake.
We were very concerned about what he had in the pillowcase, so we stopped him and I asked what he was carrying and what he planned to do with it. We ended up arguing because he wouldn't tell me, so I snatched it and discovered a very young, pregnant cat.
He threatened to call the police because I'd 'stolen' the cat and pillowcase from him, so I offered to lend him my phone to do so, saying that I'd be explaining what we'd seen and suspected, and why I'd taken it from him, and that HE'D be the one in trouble, not me. He took all of 2 seconds to think about what I'd said, and promptly legged it, leaving me holding the cat.
My friend couldn't take her home with her because of her dog, so I tried to pass her on to the rspca (not interested) and a couple of charities (no space) without success, but I'd done some fostering for Cats Protection a few years earlier, so i was known to their centre and they suggested that my teenage son could look after her until a space could be found. So we kept hold of her, waiting for a call to say they could take her.
Several weeks later, 6 gorgeous kitten's were born and one needed to be bottle and hand-fed for several weeks. We lined up new owners for all the kittens and the young mum but were just waiting until they were old enough to leave her.
At the same time, we had 2 'supposedly stray' cats living locally who my son was also feeding. We'd befriended them and I was eventually able to scan them for microchips and spoke to their registered owner who gave me some cock and bull story about having rehomed them in my area, but didn't know who to, although, I'd spoken to her boyfriend a few hours earlier, and he'd told me that he'd seen them both that morning, in their garden, 9 miles away from my home, 10mins before I'd seen them! So we were also trying to get one of the charities to take these two on, too.
Meanwhile, the mother of one of the 12yr old hooligans, illegally discovered details of my ban, and reported to the rspca that I was 'looking after' the 2 'dumped strays'. We got a visit. Both cats happened to be in my back garden when the inspectors arrived, so they scooped them up to be taken away, and I explained that one of them in particular would need to be handled very carefully because she was very skittish and not very trusting, and I said that the vet would need protective gloves to handle her.
I also explained about the young mum cat and her kittens, and said that they were literally 4 days from going to their new homes, but that I was telling them why we had them because I didn't want to get into trouble for them being in my home.
The kittens were also removed and I explained about the little one who still needed to be hand-fed, but their mum was out on a little wander, so I agreed to trap her in the house when she returned, and to hand her over the next day.
She came back that night and we had a terrible night with her searching for her missing babies, then the inspectors returned the next morning to collect her.
I told them that I would provide the names and contact details of the people lined up to take on the kittens and their mum, but they said they didn't want this info because these people would NOT be given these kittens.
So I contacted everyone myself, told them what had happened and advised them to approach the rspca themselves.
I was, thankfully, advised that no action would be taken against me for breaching the terms of the ban because I'd done 'the wrong thing by taking this young pregnant cat home, but for the right reasons'.
I also asked how they'd got on with the two 'abandoned' cats and was told that the skittish one had been immediately euthanised because she had bitten the vet when she took her out of the cage.
Four days later, a friend who'd been planning to take on the hand-fed kitten, went to the rspca to talk to them about still taking him, and was informed that they'd put him back with his mum but he wasn't suckling or eating independently, so they'd euthanized him.
Another friend went to ask about the remaining older (dumped) cat about a week after they'd been taken, and was told that she'd apparently been pining for her friend and hadn't been eating, so they'd euthanized her too.

Basically, if they think an animal is going to cost them time or money that they won't be able to recoup by selling it on, or if there's no big advertising opportunity that makes them look good, then they really don't seem to care, but if they think they can gain big bucks (like with my pedigree cats) then they'll go all out to maximise the income.

Cherrysoup · 30/09/2024 07:09

What was the case of the horses on loan that were all pts and an RSPCA inspector was comforting one of the owners in court who was anxiously awaiting the return of her horse but they’d already all been euthanised and the inspector knew? Was that the Arabs?