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Is this legal?

51 replies

Cartwrightandson · 26/09/2024 13:38

A woman has 3 daughters with her husband, they split up and she remarries, she then splits up from her second husband and immediately moves in with a male friend and they begin a relationship. The male friend has a son and she has moved all 3 daughters into the home..all children are 6/7-12/13 at this point. When the middle daughter is 17, she has sex with the son who is 19/20 and falls pregnant. Child is born when middle daughter is 18.

At this point they've been all living together as a family for several years and the daughters view male friend as father figure/step dad.

OP posts:
Soditsally · 26/09/2024 13:40

Not illegal but morally wrong

Who are you in this ?

DameCelia · 26/09/2024 13:40

Why do you think it would be against the law? (And the laws of which country are you asking about?)

Judgy1 · 26/09/2024 13:40

I think it might come under some kind of emotional neglect

Scutterbug · 26/09/2024 13:42

It’s not illegal. It sounds complicated though!

AttachmentFTW · 26/09/2024 13:43

It only counts as incest between biological or adopted siblings, so if neither adult adopted the other person's children, then yes it is legal.

Windrainandsnow · 26/09/2024 13:45

It might be legal but it doesn't sound a healthy situation.

x2boys · 26/09/2024 13:50

They are not biologically related and were above the age of consent ,so of course its legal ,it dies sound complicated though.

5128gap · 26/09/2024 13:53

No, perfectly legal. Concerning though as its not unknown in these situations that the girl has been abused or coerced. Are you her father?

CrouchingTigerHiddenChocolate · 26/09/2024 13:53

It is legal.

I know a woman who had a baby with her adult step child (she came into his life when he was an adult), her husband did try and get her charged, but it wasn't illegal.

I also know someone who dated his step sister for a couple of years. It was a disaster when they split up.

JayCag · 26/09/2024 14:01

Soditsally · 26/09/2024 13:40

Not illegal but morally wrong

Who are you in this ?

Can I ask why you think it’s morally wrong?

A young woman having a child with a young man while their parents are seeing each other sounds complicated and messy, but I don’t get the immorality of it?

ToNiceWithSpice · 26/09/2024 14:04

I know someone who did this, they've been together years now and have 2 children

Why would you think it might be illegal

Dotjones · 26/09/2024 14:10

No it's perfectly legal by the sound of it. Unless the "male friend" is the same person as the husband and is the father of both the middle daughter and son. Sounds like a pretty messed up situation over several years, so maybe that's the case! The important thing is that they're not siblings or half-siblings.

Ponderingwindow · 26/09/2024 14:37

Not illegal

it would either be an illustration that moving children into the same home does not make them instant siblings or an example of abuse depending upon how it happened.

dixkybow · 26/09/2024 14:43

So step brother & sister but the parents are not married? Or have I misread, I'm not sure what the relevance of the second marriage is in the OP but perhaps I'm reading wrong?

LittleGreenDragons · 26/09/2024 14:43

JayCag · 26/09/2024 14:01

Can I ask why you think it’s morally wrong?

A young woman having a child with a young man while their parents are seeing each other sounds complicated and messy, but I don’t get the immorality of it?

It is morally wrong because they have (probably) been raised as siblings. Even if middle child was the 12 yr old, that is five years as siblings minimum but probably more. So whilst not incest/ illegal it will still feel incestuous.

all children are 6/7-12/13 at this point. When the middle daughter is 17, she has sex with the son who is 19/20 and falls pregnant.

Soditsally · 26/09/2024 14:49

I agree , raised as siblings
It just feels wrong

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/09/2024 14:58

Incest legislation is primarily an abuse prevention measure combined with lesser secondary concern regarding genetic abnormalities in offspring. With unrelated teenagers of a similar age who met as teenagers, there’s less likelihood of one being in a position of power over the other. I don’t think it sounds as though they’ve been raised as siblings any more than children who’ve e.g. lived together for years at boarding school have been raised as siblings. They’re just teenagers who’ve been pushed into close quarters because their parents are in a relationship.

x2boys · 26/09/2024 15:16

LittleGreenDragons · 26/09/2024 14:43

It is morally wrong because they have (probably) been raised as siblings. Even if middle child was the 12 yr old, that is five years as siblings minimum but probably more. So whilst not incest/ illegal it will still feel incestuous.

all children are 6/7-12/13 at this point. When the middle daughter is 17, she has sex with the son who is 19/20 and falls pregnant.

They haven't been raised as siblings if they were 12/13 when they met
It sounds complicated and a potential nightmare if they split up but they are not siblings

JayCag · 26/09/2024 15:35

LittleGreenDragons · 26/09/2024 14:43

It is morally wrong because they have (probably) been raised as siblings. Even if middle child was the 12 yr old, that is five years as siblings minimum but probably more. So whilst not incest/ illegal it will still feel incestuous.

all children are 6/7-12/13 at this point. When the middle daughter is 17, she has sex with the son who is 19/20 and falls pregnant.

You seem to expect children to have higher “morals” here than their parents, in particular the mother who now has her children living with a third “daddy” in a relatively short period of time.

Just because a woman plays families, it doesn’t make her children and her boyfriend’s kids siblings.

LittleGreenDragons · 26/09/2024 17:35

x2boys · 26/09/2024 15:16

They haven't been raised as siblings if they were 12/13 when they met
It sounds complicated and a potential nightmare if they split up but they are not siblings

You need to re-read the post. She said moved in, not met. They all lived in the one house presumably as one family, which is why I said raised as siblings.

JayCag
Raised as. That does not mean siblings, but have been treated as brothers and sisters in a family unit, in the one house.

LivelyGoldOrca · 26/09/2024 17:40

Didn't this happen in Dallas? ( the okd tv show not remake)

Ponderingwindow · 26/09/2024 18:09

Seeing a step-sibling as family and not just as a friend is not the default. It is more likely if the older party sees the younger nurtured as a very young child in the family.

Saz12 · 26/09/2024 18:22

As one child was living with Father Figure No 3 I don't reckon they'd have seen mums partner as step dad, never mind his children as sibling in the way they might have if they were little kids when they moved in together.

newnamethanks · 26/09/2024 18:40

Boundaries! Blimey, how people complicate their lives unnecessarily.

BMW6 · 26/09/2024 18:51

The parties involved are not related so perfectly legal - and IMHO not immoral either.

You've never read Emma or watched Clueless?