To think that feminist discussions on AIBU get shut down as soon as women don't sit down, shut up and be kind?

[Zahariel]

I have seen several discussions the last few days be shut down, or even whole sale removed, as soon as women get a bit too big for their boots and start having opinions on things bigger than flower arranging or what to make DH for dinner.

I've not seen any of those discussions verge into illegal, defamatory or even offensive - just women give clear red lines about what is and is not acceptable to them.

What is the criteria? Given the lack of democratic discussion spaces (they all prioritise men) it would be nice to have more space to discuss this without being hived off to the Feminism section?

Of course there are lovely trans people out there.

But this is not fundamentally what all this is about.

It's about the fact that we are in a position where ANY man who feels like it, can have access to women's spaces and services.

And that there are vulnerable women - rape victims, domestic abuse victims, prisoners, the sick and disabled, orthodox religious - who are suffering because of that.

So can we please move on from the (frankly nauseating) idea that throwing these women under the bus is the virtuous position to take.

Yep.

Considering the use of hyperbole in your own posts on this thread, I would expect that you make as little attempt to understand where posters are coming from as the poster you agreed with.

You certainly don't seem to have expressed any understanding of the issues to which you are actively dismissing with that hyperbole.

It doesn’t lead anyone familiar with Mumsnet to think that. I think there’s a lot of healthy robust feminist discussion on Mumsnet.

It is the typical belittling and hyperbolic language that you see.

Kiyuni unlike many of the males she supports, seems to be uncomfortable that rape survivors are being failed by her ideology. Or at least has the self awareness to realise it isn't a good look.

Yeah, talk about keeping digging 😂
YABU OP

Has anyone said this? Or have they said it's men. Which transwomen are by default. Has anyone said anything about not wanting transmen (females) in their spaces? No.

It's men. And that's the politest I'll be towards people like you who just can't grasp this basic concept without bleating 'waaah you all hate trans people'. I know lovely men too, still don't want them in women's spaces.

Your the first poster I've ever come across who has an issue with the 1000 post limit.

What usually happens with long running threads is the OP starts up a "Part 2" thread with a link and the discussion continues.

There are a large number of such threads if you care to look for them.

YABU.

I cannot think of one other mental disorder (because gender dysphoria is a mental disorder) that we treat by not only affirming how that person sees themselves but expecting everyone else to play along and give up their rights to in order to do so.

Take Narcissistic Personality Disorder, for example. These individuals quite often have a grandiose sense of self and believe they are special and should expect special treatment. Imagine if we treated NPD by affirming to that individual that they are special and god-like and then start demanding everyone else treat them as such, even to our own detriment, because it actually does cause hurt to an NPD individual if someone challenges their own view of themselves.

'Take Narcissistic Personality Disorder, for example. These individuals quite often have a grandiose sense of self and believe they are special and should expect special treatment. Imagine if we treated NPD by affirming to that individual that they are special and god-like and then start demanding everyone else treat them as such, even to our own detriment, because it actually does cause hurt to an NPD individual if someone challenges their own view of themselves.'

This cannot be said enough Errors!

Imagine. Just imagine....

Some may try to shut down the argument but that happens on AIBU

Not many of us on here with quieten down just because some are trying to silence us

If anything its the opposite

I agree with this. I love how vocal people can be if they need to be. Even if I don’t always agree with them. Telling someone you don’t agree is not the same as shutting down the conversation

Dear MN. Please completely redesign this website as there's a self-appointed expert on this thread who has designated your current design as faulty. Or just ignore it? Suits everyone else.

We just hit the 1000 limit on another post. I felt only a sense of relief. By that stage there have been 20 tangents, the OP's point has been lost and because there is so much to read, the same points come up over and over again.

I think it's a good idea.

I doubt he or she will be back.

They've probably name changed into oblivion, rather than simply admit they were wrong.