To think that feminist discussions on AIBU get shut down as soon as women don't sit down, shut up and be kind?

[Zahariel]

I have seen several discussions the last few days be shut down, or even whole sale removed, as soon as women get a bit too big for their boots and start having opinions on things bigger than flower arranging or what to make DH for dinner.

I've not seen any of those discussions verge into illegal, defamatory or even offensive - just women give clear red lines about what is and is not acceptable to them.

What is the criteria? Given the lack of democratic discussion spaces (they all prioritise men) it would be nice to have more space to discuss this without being hived off to the Feminism section?

I agree with this.

Feminist posts are not the same as goady anti trans posts.

Well this is a nice positive conversation. OP gets anxious and outraged about important conversations being shut down, only to find that they aren’t.

At least, not all of them.

I do think the modding is about right at the moment, though it’s has swayed about a bit at times.

No, I do not think that these conversations get shut down on MN at all. And nor should they…

MNHQ still, at times, moves threads about the impacts of prioritising gender over sex to the feminism board. This is much rarer these days. However, it is very obvious that some people will report the threads to get them moved.

Those who expect the threads to be moved, complain on the threads about how they, personally, don’t want to see these threads. It seems it is because they cannot scroll past a thread they don’t want to read and lack the impulse control to keep scrolling.

What's an anti trans post? Any examples you can share with us?

DadJoke didn't call anything. He spends his days on this site lecturing women who think we should be able to have a word for ourselves and some single sex spaces and making out that we are exclusionary bigots. Naturally he gets pretty short shrift from most posters on Mumsnet.

The trans posts are all awful because if you mention that you don't have an issue, or god forbid you have a trans child or friend and you are OK with that, you are immediately pounced on and lectured as if you are a naughty child, everything you say is twisted and picked over.

The sad thing is that some of these posters have really convinced themselves that they aren't anti trans, just pro women, when the posts drip with bile.

I have trans friends and I couldn't care less if a trans woman was waiting for the loo with me in Starbucks. I understand some women find this threatening and I'm glad they have a place to discuss their fears, but I do not share them.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom - SpookyX meant she'd called 'Dadjokes appearing in 3...2...1...'

Ahhh. That makes much more sense.

Having a place to discuss your fears doesn't solve the problem though, does it?

What they need is safe spaces to pee, get changed and receive rape crisis support, without being monstered for not wanting penises in those spaces.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I meant I called it, by saying he'd appear shortly to mansplain at us all.

Did I mention rape crisis support?

No, I did not - and that's a perfect example of the frothing twisting of words.

You can set your watch by it @SpookyX

I have trans friends and I couldn't care less if a trans woman was waiting for the loo with me in Starbucks. I understand some women find this threatening and I'm glad they have a place to discuss their fears, but I do not share them.

Well I'm glad you realise that you dont speak for all women.

Yet in the thread linked above, we were discussing the nurses in Darlington who have no single sex space to change and are being forced to share with a fully intact man. They're being threatened with disciplinary action if they do anything except put up and shut up. They're being called bigots for objecting.

Yet you think it's the people calling this out as wrong who are the problem? Seriously? You could not make this shit up.

They probably stand out because they are one of the few who aren't utterly wearied by the bullying that goes on if you don't share the idea that transwomen (in particular) are an existential threat.

But that’s a live issue, and why the discussion isn’t about having a safe space to discuss our fears.

Women were refused same sex crisis support.

You can’t minimise the problem then claim someone illuminating the size of the problem is twisting your words.

Perhaps you should read some of the threads in question then and you'll understand that we're not talking about loos in Starbucks.

You crack on. I'll leave you to get on with it.

So you're not actually prepared to take these points on board then. There's a surprise.

I don't think I have ever seen a thread about flower arranging

#disappointed

Start one 😀

Yes, feminism will continue without your help.

Did I mention rape crisis support?

No, I did not - and that's a perfect example of the frothing twisting of words.

"My lovely friend waiting for the toilet in Starbucks makes these women afraid" was your straw man. Toilets in coffee shops are generally unisex single occupancy. Genderists always try to bring it back to toilets. It's not about toilets, it's about recognising the importance of biological sex everywhere it matters. Why do you think women are now having to fight for the basic respect and dignity of female only support when they've been raped in the first place? It's all part of a misogynistic whole.

Could you maybe try not to belittle women who don't see males as women? Including your mates. Which is most of us, when it comes to it.

Can you explain about why its ok to transition young children when there are significant concerns about autism, sexual abuse and homophobia and these children are being harmed in the name of trans activism because no one is willing to ask the difficult questions?

Or are you going to leave us to get on with that too, now you've given your little lecture on why we are so bad and so 'anti-trans'?