We know all the anti Labour posts are really just about VAT on school fees!

[YouOnlyHateStarmerForVATOnSchoolFees]

Day in day out whining about Labour and looking for any reason to moan about Starmer, I’m honestly expecting to see a “Starmer ate my dog” post soon! 🙄

We all know you’re just upset as you’ll be charged VAT on little Arabella’s school fees!

So my AIBU…

YABU - It is not just the school fees, honest! I preferred ‘honest Boris’ and ‘man of the people’ Rishi. Or that lovely Liz, we were so much safer with them!

YANBU - The posts are so blatantly motivated by the VAT on school fees that it has becoming utterly boring. Jog on ‘disgusted of Hampstead’ and join the local comp!

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I have 4 kids at private school. I voted Labour. I don't really like Keir Starmer though, but I thought overall Labour were the least worst option. The world isn't black and white or binary.

I’m not involved, in any way, with private schools (couldn’t care less). But Starmer and co are looking as useless as what went before.

But, as I’ve voted for so many year, I didn’t expect them to. They are all the same, and anyone that thinks anything else are deluded. 🙄

Johnson’s gaffes revealed a lack of care and attention to detail - waffling about irrelevancies like Peppa Pig or not being able to get his speech in order. That’s why I disliked them. They were further evidence of his incompetence.
Starmer’s is not like that. It’s just a slip of the tongue. Ima retired teacher and I know how easy it is even when you know exactly what you are talking about and/or are reading. It’s not a matter of competence.

Yes I'm aware of how you feel about Starmer.

The media still love it and all those that joined in before can enjoy it now.

i don’t think you have any idea. I think you know I’m a labour supporter. I don’t like the dismissive way you make assumptions about people. I’ve seen you d9 it before. You were saying it’s a bit hypocritical to not like media fuss over this when it was ok over Johnson. That’s because the errors are different.

Given you quote rather than scroll past I'm not going to pay attention to your review on my posts. Why would I? Do you think I find yours nice

I am saying people let the media know how much profit could be made from a good gaffe, you can't complain it's now aimed at Labour.

School days long gone here so I have no skin in the game. I just think Starmer doesn’t have any political nous or is being advised badly. I’ve voted Labour all my adult life and never expected the poorest in our society to be a target for cuts and vile rhetoric.

Or is it because Starmer is despicable hypocrite: www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-donation-son-gcse-housing-acoommodation-prime-minister-b1183972.html

I think that you need reasonable grounds to monitor accounts for fraud! But the last government proposed it and would have said it was lawful. So I imagine Labour will be pretty confident they could do it.

Practically it could be quite easy to do. If you don’t run your living expenses via your account, this will look suspicious because it suggests cash or another income. Then you get investigated!

@YouOnlyHateStarmerForVATOnSchoolFees you left out all the mumsnetters over 66 who moan about anyone under 60 getting benefits of any kind but are now aggrieved that they aren't going to get a winter fuel allowance but still know the ins and outs of a ducks arse when it comes to isa limits or pension drawdowns or inheritance planning- there's a fair few of those around .

Who are they?

Must have missed them

I was wondering too. I can't say I've seen much of that. People worried about pensioners on basic state pension I have seen

@blackfushia and what cuts would these be apart from WFA? I'm a cynic on this-and yes I think the cut off should be £22k household income - but it's a benefit plenty of working poor of non pensionable age don't get who don't have homes they own or have had inheritances etc .

My great aunt and uncle lived like absolute paupers , next to no heat on, never holidayed , old car, house needed lots of basic work- when he died and she finally did she left £212,000 plus the house and this was in the 90s. Yes there are plenty of older people who do struggle, hence why I think limit should be higher, there are also some who are just plain misers and are happy to get handouts , but unhappy if anyone else does - I think some people ( many on the left) are a bit naive about this aspect in 'some ' older people. I'm in the centre politically- I'm not a Tory- but nor am I naive enough to think you can always judge a book by its cover -

@EasternStandard sorry I disagree - i think plenty of pensioners ( and I'm 62) don't give a rats arse about others so long as they are ok- a relative of mine to put it nicely the other week ( and he's 87) said if it's that tight then they have made poor life choices- he has over £300,000 in the bank ( not his grim flat - he still rents that from council ) He's still miffed though that he will lose WFA. My parent the same and similar cash available - it wouldn't cross their mind as to why they should indeed get it and my working son in his 20scshared rented flat with girlfriend shouldn't.

I think sometimes that is true. My own father has a sense of economy that belies his actual income (healthy). He grumbled to me about the WHA being withdrawn.

I reminded him that he has often said he doesn’t need it! He looked a bit put out and said that well he’s only a poor pensioner. This is a man who would happily spend that on dinner if it suited him!

Anecdata of course. But people never like losing something whatever their income.

They have barely been in power for five minutes so I think the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. I didn't vote for them but I hope they will manage to make things better as someone certainly needs to. No, I don't agree with everything they have done so far either, don't have any skin in the game as far as private schools go but concerned about the possible unintended consequences for SEN kids and also possible impact on state schools. Will be losing WFA (I'm an oldie) but won't miss it at all, but concerned about those on low incomes who will suffer. Yes a few gaffes regarding the sausage thing (which I think is really very funny!) and also the freebies are not a good look even if legal. On the whole though I want to give them the benefit of the doubt because I want to believe that life can get better mostly for the generations after me, my DC and DGC, so I am just crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

So now people are talking about great aunts, uncles and fathers

The pp was about mumsnetters. I haven't seen much of what was written in that post

My concern is for pensioners who really will suffer this winter, and I know Labour voters will know people they can talk about who won't. It still doesn't help that group

You lost me on ‘arabella’ why on earth do you think it’s ok to single out names etc? Does that somehow make your argument more valid? It’s stupid.

And no - it’s not about the VAT. No my child is not Arabella either. Maybe - just maybe people thought KS would be better.

He was ripped to pieces at the conference. Looks like no one likes Keir. Hopefully, he'll be a flash in the pan and booted out at the next election. He probably won't even make it that far and will be stabbed in the back by his own party

Labour never kill their leaders in office! That is a Tory sport.

Like him or not Starmer will be hard to beat because he is going for dogged look what I did. And really he’s ahead of what is going to be his opposition. That isn’t just my view, by the way! You can read it in the Spectator

They tried with Corbyn, he refused then look at their defeat in 2019

He probably won't go until the whole party do though, fine by me. No one else in the Labour party is much better

And there taking it away from the poor pensioners you forgot that

@EasternStandard the Labour Party will never defenestrate a winner. That is what Tories do, see Johnson and Thatcher.

As I said they tried, but failed, with Corbyn.

Same.
I’m not anti Labour.
I am anti VAT on school fees.