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Do Europeans hate the Brits?

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Floofydawg · 24/09/2024 15:31

We're in Spain at the minute and have encountered some pretty hostile behaviour. Not so much from the Spanish, as we speak the language, but from other Europeans. We've been coming here many years and I've never before encountered such hostility. It got me thinking, do many Europeans dislike the Brits?

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Elizo · 24/09/2024 16:58

Yeah they don't like us and as others have said especially English. Who can blame them tbh. Not on an individual level though, never really had any issues. Some Dutch made a point of saying I had a longer queue because of Brexit - oh well...

Findmebythesea1 · 24/09/2024 16:59

I remember starting a thread years ago about the World Cup and wow, some of the comments. If it had been any other nationality being slated with the stereotypes being thrown around it would have been taken down but seemingly the English are the only nationality left where racism is socially acceptable.

hepsitemiz · 24/09/2024 17:00

Oh that's right, is it? I don't stand up for the hated country? Me and how many other posters on here?

You guys 🙄

ALittleDropOfRain · 24/09/2024 17:00

Sunraysunday · 24/09/2024 15:49

If you’re Irish you’re not a Brit?

Britain is England, Wales & Scotland. The UK is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The British Isles encompasses Ireland.

I believe citizens of Ireland and Northern Ireland have Irish passports, although NI has historical provisions for British citizenship?

Gloriia · 24/09/2024 17:00

MidCenturySuffolk · 24/09/2024 16:57

Nationality top trumps then. How progressive!

It's crazy isn't it so many almost proud to state they've experienced xenophobia directed at others. You'd think people would be disgusted but nope, it's seemingly ok if one nationality is being unfairly demonised as long as it's not your own!

CherryValley5 · 24/09/2024 17:01

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 16:58

I don't have a comprehension struggle with this.

I agreed that Irish people are not hated anywhere as they are a non threatening small country and have not invaded anywhere in the past.

I pointed out that in the scenario where one country is hated more than another, it might be good to stand up for the hated country.

But you guys don't do that

Why exactly should I? Please enlighten me!

RedHelenB · 24/09/2024 17:01

Never had any hostility. But then I'm polire and don't cause bother

Verv · 24/09/2024 17:01

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 16:58

I don't have a comprehension struggle with this.

I agreed that Irish people are not hated anywhere as they are a non threatening small country and have not invaded anywhere in the past.

I pointed out that in the scenario where one country is hated more than another, it might be good to stand up for the hated country.

But you guys don't do that

Perhaps its because those countries are not particularly fond of England either.

Treesinmygarden · 24/09/2024 17:01

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 16:58

I don't have a comprehension struggle with this.

I agreed that Irish people are not hated anywhere as they are a non threatening small country and have not invaded anywhere in the past.

I pointed out that in the scenario where one country is hated more than another, it might be good to stand up for the hated country.

But you guys don't do that

Why would we? What's it going to achieve other than bring hostility on ourselves?

It's not that England is a "hated country" either and it's quite subtle. They just become more open and friendly on finding out you're not English although you speak it. It's not done in a way where you could say, "how dare you diss the English?!" because they're not.

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 17:01

hepsitemiz · 24/09/2024 17:00

Oh that's right, is it? I don't stand up for the hated country? Me and how many other posters on here?

You guys 🙄

Well if someone said to me "Thank god you're not english"

I wouldn't say "yes it's great that I'm not English isn't it!".

I would challenge the person on their xenophobic behaviour.

Berlinlover · 24/09/2024 17:02

Ohhmydays · 24/09/2024 16:19

I have noticed when abroad that it is usually Polish women and Russian's who tend to be quite rude and the odd german especially towards English people as apposed to Scottish Welsh people

Polish women are rude to everyone 😂

TuVuoiFaLamericano · 24/09/2024 17:02

I'm in Germany. When people realise I'm from Scotland, I get a very different reaction from my English friends here. It's usually the English people aren't a fan of here.

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 17:03

Treesinmygarden · 24/09/2024 17:01

Why would we? What's it going to achieve other than bring hostility on ourselves?

It's not that England is a "hated country" either and it's quite subtle. They just become more open and friendly on finding out you're not English although you speak it. It's not done in a way where you could say, "how dare you diss the English?!" because they're not.

Why would it bring hostility on you to stand up for people from other countries.

If anyone has ever insulted another nationality to me, Ive stood up for them.

. For example people have insulted Polish people, and Indian people to me.

I've always stood up for them when it happened

It didn't bring hostility on myself.

CherryValley5 · 24/09/2024 17:03

ALittleDropOfRain · 24/09/2024 17:00

Britain is England, Wales & Scotland. The UK is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The British Isles encompasses Ireland.

I believe citizens of Ireland and Northern Ireland have Irish passports, although NI has historical provisions for British citizenship?

NI has both British & Irish passport eligibility, you can choose to have either or both. From experience it is far easier to get a British one, the big surge in Irish applications (especially in people who certainly wouldn’t identify as Irish!) only happened due to Brexit.

IcedPurple · 24/09/2024 17:04

hepsitemiz · 24/09/2024 16:55

Me too, Cherry. Pearlgemspark is having a bit of a comprehension struggle with this.

In my case I hang off my husband's Irish coat-tails. It goes down a treat in places like Corsica where they also have a fiercely independant island we-don't-belong-to-France-and-we're-nothing-like-them mentality. In fact many Corsicans feel they are still living under French colonisation.

People are looking to connect and identify. They also look out for perceived slights, historical or recent. In the case of UK there's the problem of our leaving the EU - it feels to many Europeans that despite having our own special deal we still decided to play away.

If you can claim Irish, Scottish or Welsh roots they let you off, I confirm! That may also be to do with the breakdown of the Brexit votes, as many people realise that Scotland, Wales - and possibly NI - voted heavily to remain.

s many people realise that Scotland, Wales - and possibly NI - voted heavily to remain.

Wales narrowly voted to leave.

NI voted to remain, but not 'heavily'. 1 in 3 Scots voted 'leave'.

Not that I think your average person working in tourism in Portugal or Greece gives a toss about any of this.

Barleysugar86 · 24/09/2024 17:04

I felt very welcomed on our recent trip to the Netherlands (we didn't travel to Amsterdam though, which I could understand might see worse behaviour Brit's wise). Everyone was very friendly towards us and we try hard to be good tourists/ use local guesthouses/ teach the kids to keep the noise down and tidy the room on check out etc. I imagine Spain gets the worst of our travellers, I can't really blame them for having bad experiences and bad impressions of us generally if they do.

creamandcookies2 · 24/09/2024 17:05

TuVuoiFaLamericano · 24/09/2024 17:02

I'm in Germany. When people realise I'm from Scotland, I get a very different reaction from my English friends here. It's usually the English people aren't a fan of here.

Iv been to Germany many times, (family there), and have always recieved a warm welcome when iv said I'm English, with many expressing admiration for English culture and how close our countries are. I guess everybody's experience is different.

Verv · 24/09/2024 17:05

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 17:01

Well if someone said to me "Thank god you're not english"

I wouldn't say "yes it's great that I'm not English isn't it!".

I would challenge the person on their xenophobic behaviour.

Edited

Nobody says that.

English?
Scotland.
Ah! Scotland! Edinburgh! Lochs! Lovely! Are you here for holiday? Do you like it?

Theres a difference between a subtle warm-up and "xenophobia", so where during that conversation would you like some of the other countries to leap to Englands defence?

BarbaraHoward · 24/09/2024 17:05

ALittleDropOfRain · 24/09/2024 17:00

Britain is England, Wales & Scotland. The UK is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The British Isles encompasses Ireland.

I believe citizens of Ireland and Northern Ireland have Irish passports, although NI has historical provisions for British citizenship?

No.

Are you British?

The UK is GB and NI. There is no such word as "UKish", the term is British. So although "Britain" doesn't include NI, "British" does.

Citizens of Ireland have Irish passports, obviously, being Irish citizens (and typically just Irish citizens). People born in NI have rights to both citizenships and can choose to identify as British, Irish or both.

The British isles isn't a term favoured in Ireland and isn't used by our government (although I have to say it's not something I can get worked up about personally).

Dampfnudeln · 24/09/2024 17:05

I was in Amsterdam recently and was told that they’re actively discouraging British stag parties from travelling there. I think a lot of Brits also dislike that type of inconsiderate, drunken behaviour displayed by some of us when we’re on holiday. I’ve lived outside of the UK for years now and I’ve never had any negative reactions to my nationality. Often I’m asked about Brexit but I’d say it comes from a place of morbid curiousity than dislike.

RedOnyx · 24/09/2024 17:05

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 15:54

I do think there is a bit of anti english sentiment in places.

Mainly to do with Britain colonising countries long ago.

Yet Germany and Spain also colonised loads of countries in the past, and they dont seem to get any abuse.

What nasty things did they say to you OP?

Edited

Years ago in Greece we went to a restaurant and were totally ignored while the staff talked amongst themselves. Then just as we were going to leave they came over having heard us speaking in English and saying "We're so sorry, we thought you were German". So depending where you are people don't like Germans (or at least didn't then).
I live in Europe and where I am I haven't encountered any hostility but I do think it depends where you go. The Germans, Austrians, Dutch seem to like Brits, French hate us (the English at least), Spanish and Portuguese depends where you go.

mushypeas94 · 24/09/2024 17:05

Yes it's absolutely not a Brexit thing. I've been experiencing it since the 1970s

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 17:06

If only we could all get along.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 24/09/2024 17:07

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 16:58

I don't have a comprehension struggle with this.

I agreed that Irish people are not hated anywhere as they are a non threatening small country and have not invaded anywhere in the past.

I pointed out that in the scenario where one country is hated more than another, it might be good to stand up for the hated country.

But you guys don't do that

You seem to be assuming that it's a shift from full on xenophobic rant to lovey dovey. It's not. It's a change from polite but formal and distant to enthusiastic, friendly and engaged. If I started ranting on about how appalling they were because they treated me perfectly politely when they thought I was English, I would come across as slightly unhinged.

CherryValley5 · 24/09/2024 17:07

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 17:01

Well if someone said to me "Thank god you're not english"

I wouldn't say "yes it's great that I'm not English isn't it!".

I would challenge the person on their xenophobic behaviour.

Edited

Nobody says that though. You’re making xenophobic anti-English insults up in your head, which is a bit silly really…

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