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Do Europeans hate the Brits?

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Floofydawg · 24/09/2024 15:31

We're in Spain at the minute and have encountered some pretty hostile behaviour. Not so much from the Spanish, as we speak the language, but from other Europeans. We've been coming here many years and I've never before encountered such hostility. It got me thinking, do many Europeans dislike the Brits?

OP posts:
IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 16:40

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:33

There are other countries that like a drink, the Danes like a drink but it's an important part of socialising well it is with the people I know.

I watched my Spanish in laws children (about six) walk around with a massive glass of wine at a wedding. 😂 I think most of the English side managed their drink very well and were not drunk but yes if we could teach them from early on to not drink too much that would be better.

Dulra · 25/09/2024 16:44

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 16:06

Do we really think all the drunk yobs are just English? I would say a fair few are Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish.

I'm sure they are but locals may assume their English so you do most likely get tarred with the bad behaviour of all English speaking tourists.

Dulra · 25/09/2024 16:48

JudgeJ · 25/09/2024 15:39

Would it be acceptable on this site to say that my attitude changes when I encounter an Irish accent and not in a good way? Didn't think so!

No but people posting here aren't doing that, they are describing the change in attitude of people they encounter when they find out they're not English. No one has said that is acceptable just an experience they've had.

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:58

Dulra · 25/09/2024 16:44

I'm sure they are but locals may assume their English so you do most likely get tarred with the bad behaviour of all English speaking tourists.

So the Scottish and Welsh and Irish as English speakers do not drink and have no history of drinking - come off it, I think the drinking is a red herring!

Equally, many people on here are just finding the notion of it being an English thing and just think it's chit chat.

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:59

Dulra · 25/09/2024 16:48

No but people posting here aren't doing that, they are describing the change in attitude of people they encounter when they find out they're not English. No one has said that is acceptable just an experience they've had.

It's just flattery as they know it's important to you as you have stated it.

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 16:59

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:59

It's just flattery as they know it's important to you as you have stated it.

It's not because it's not information you would generally volunteer unless asked.

Dulra · 25/09/2024 17:01

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:58

So the Scottish and Welsh and Irish as English speakers do not drink and have no history of drinking - come off it, I think the drinking is a red herring!

Equally, many people on here are just finding the notion of it being an English thing and just think it's chit chat.

So the Scottish and Welsh and Irish as English speakers do not drink and have no history of drinking - come off it, I think the drinking is a red herring!

Think you need to reread my post because that is literally the opposite of what I said. For clarification I meant that people may assume the English speaking tourists behaving badly are all English but are likely also to be Scottish, Welsh and Irish. Non English speakers are unlikely to know the difference in accents

Dulra · 25/09/2024 17:03

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 16:59

It's just flattery as they know it's important to you as you have stated it.

Stated what? That I'm Irish? I don't go around telling everyone, people ask where are you from?

Totallymessed · 25/09/2024 17:12

I've always been impressed by the ability of the Spanish to drink all afternoon without getting drunk and annoying.

On another note, after this thread Ireland is definitely off my list of potential holiday destinations, there seems to be a number of Irish posters who have a real problem with the English, not something I want to deal with on holiday.

Dulra · 25/09/2024 17:15

Totallymessed · 25/09/2024 17:12

I've always been impressed by the ability of the Spanish to drink all afternoon without getting drunk and annoying.

On another note, after this thread Ireland is definitely off my list of potential holiday destinations, there seems to be a number of Irish posters who have a real problem with the English, not something I want to deal with on holiday.

there seems to be a number of Irish posters who have a real problem with the English,
Which posters?
Massive sweeping generalisation there. Many many English living perfectly happy in Ireland, my husband is one of them. No issues ever.

CherryValley5 · 25/09/2024 17:18

Totallymessed · 25/09/2024 17:12

I've always been impressed by the ability of the Spanish to drink all afternoon without getting drunk and annoying.

On another note, after this thread Ireland is definitely off my list of potential holiday destinations, there seems to be a number of Irish posters who have a real problem with the English, not something I want to deal with on holiday.

Your loss!

Somanypiessolittletime · 25/09/2024 17:18

To be fair @Totallymessedthe only one I've noticed being openly hostile is @goodluckbinbin. Most others just say that they are obviously more liked than the English!

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:22

TigathaChristie · 25/09/2024 09:51

All of this is such a shame isn't it. I haven't visited Ireland for many years and suggested taking my DC over to see where their Great Grandma was born. They said no because "the Irish hate us". I always say that's ridiculous (and stop believing what you see on Tiktok) but judging by some of the posters on here who think that it's only expected (and correct) that the Irish are treated more warmly than the English, I'm beginning to wonder.

I think any commentator or person who has visited Ireland will tell you about the warmth of the welcome they got.

We're very gregarious. Perhaps English people are just more reserved?

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 17:24

Dulra · 25/09/2024 16:48

No but people posting here aren't doing that, they are describing the change in attitude of people they encounter when they find out they're not English. No one has said that is acceptable just an experience they've had.

None of them are condemning it though. In fact some seem gleeful about it.

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:26

Goldenbear · 25/09/2024 10:13

I'm literally pointing out that I have experienced not being thought of as British, I'm even speaking in English but it is assumed I'm Scandinavian but only speaking in English for communicating purposes but when I have corrected people there is no change to attitudes towards me, that is my point, this is why I am doubting this. If anything you would think their treatment of me would be much better I they think I'm a Scandinavian speaking in English as I am not a Brit in any way I.e I am not Scottish or Welsh but no even with that I don't see this sudden switch!!

Equally, I'm doubting the picking up on the accent as people think I am Danish or Swedish even speaking to them in English so you would think they would be able to determine that my English was with an accent, if I actually was from Sweden or Denmark.

Doubt all you want - very many posters have pointed out that it is a 'thing'!

midgetastic · 25/09/2024 17:26

Sone people just want to find offence

Don't forget to self flagellate everyone

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 17:27

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:22

I think any commentator or person who has visited Ireland will tell you about the warmth of the welcome they got.

We're very gregarious. Perhaps English people are just more reserved?

Our next door neighbour is Irish. He is definitely more outgoing than us but we . He can also talk the legs off a donkey! Mind you many English aren't reserved. Ever been to Yorkshire?

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:27

IcedPurple · 25/09/2024 10:25

Thanks for the tip but I've been in all but one of those countries and happily did not interact with people who decide how they're going to treat you based on your nationality.

But you won't know that, based on being English!

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 17:30

midgetastic · 25/09/2024 17:26

Sone people just want to find offence

Don't forget to self flagellate everyone

I imagine if you switched the nationality or the race you wouldn't be so blasé.

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:31

Lincslady53 · 25/09/2024 10:49

I am English. We have been to Spain, France or Greece 2 or 3 times a year. Not noticed any hostility anywhere. In fact, the opposite. Could not have had better customer service in France for example. Perhaps it is you OP?

BUT it's not "hostility"! The person will be speaking to you perfectly civilly and asks you where you are from - if you say Ireland, Scotland or Wales, there's a perceptible change in the warmth of the conversation. I can't explain it; it just happens.

Dulra · 25/09/2024 17:37

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 17:27

Our next door neighbour is Irish. He is definitely more outgoing than us but we . He can also talk the legs off a donkey! Mind you many English aren't reserved. Ever been to Yorkshire?

My in laws are from the west country and definitely not reserved either😂

Dulra · 25/09/2024 17:39

IVFmumoftwo · 25/09/2024 17:24

None of them are condemning it though. In fact some seem gleeful about it.

You haven't read the entire thread then it has been said many times it's not right or fair

IcedPurple · 25/09/2024 17:41

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:27

But you won't know that, based on being English!

You don't actually know my nationality, but in any case, as I said, I've travelled in many countries with people of many nationalities. I've worked in two of the countries mentioned, again with people of many nationalities. I've not seen these megawatt smiles which spontaneously erupt on mention of the magic words 'Irish', 'Scottish', or 'Welsh'. Perhaps these 'changes in attitude' do happen, but the people I've encountered, fortunately, haven't decided how they're going to treat you based purely on your nationality.

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:47

HotPipe · 25/09/2024 15:23

‘English plates’ on the car.. aka a normal registration plate in NI

NI plates are different to UK

They are but lots of people have English registered cars. DH has one.

BarbaraHoward · 25/09/2024 17:49

Treesinmygarden · 25/09/2024 17:47

They are but lots of people have English registered cars. DH has one.

Yeah our last few cars have had an English reg, bought second hand in NI. Very normal.

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