Katie Price and other celebs

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Dh and I were having a discussion about minor celebs. Katie Price is one example, not just her but others. Lauryn Goodman is another example off the top of my head. Basically anyone who gets famous with no real talent, maybe for appearing on a reality show. Or maybe ex soap stars/singers trying desperately to stay in the limelight. Doing only fans for example. Set up pap photos. Doing embarrassing tv shows.

They often end up selling their lives and their children's lives for a quick buck.

I said that a lot of the time they are selling their souls and often end up with nothing.

Dh was sort of arguing that it was worth it because they are able to have good lifestyles, nice holidays, cars, big houses.

I argued that it's usually a very fake lifestyle. Living beyond their means, forced to resort to humiliating photos and tv appearances to keep up with the lifestyle. Attracting users and hangers on. Often ending up with substance misuse and eventually bankrupt.

Dh was adamant that these sort of people had been able to fund a good life and go places and have things that a lot of people could only dream of.

I’m on your husbands side of this debate!

@SocksAndTheCity well not really. I don't think for example Katie Price's fame and lifestyle has bought her any happiness.

So I would say it's not been worth it.

But they do get "good lifestyles", especially when that means nice holidays, cars, big houses.

It takes a certain personality to want to pursue fame for the sake of fame. Not everyone who wants it gets it. It's a personality type that needs constant attention and validation (good or bad).

If I was the betting sort (and it was possible to prove) I doubt Katie Price happiness level would be any different famous or not.

I get what you mean, it comes at a price doesn’t it, mainly your kids privacy and you have all your skeletons out on display, you have no privacy at all and it must be a hard way to live to be honest.

For me it wouldn’t be worth it, a car and posh house wouldn’t be enough to make me want to live that kind of life because I don’t like the risk side of not knowing where money will come from or what I might have to do to get it. But some people don’t mind!

Also I think many of these women get spat up and chewed up by the industry and when they are no longer in demand as they age they end up having to go to desperate measures to keep up their income to pay the bills. The media industry is fickle and you need to invest your money young while you can but everyone around you is a hanger on, a yes man, you are making bad financial decisions, before you know it, work is drying up and everyone is taking the pee out of you. I dislike the industry, so many women having surgery and being exploited then humiliated in the tabloids.

I don’t blame the women they go into it thinking it’s amazing, who can really blame them? It’s just not an industry that cares about people’s welfare

I don't think for example Katie Price's fame and lifestyle has bought her any happiness.

But what happiness means to you is very different to what it means for Katie Price. The things you value are different.

Your husband is right that the money and fame give opportunities to have a great life.

That's how I see it. Obviously if the individual can take the good either way the bad and invest the money wisely then it's probably worth it.

But it seems like often that's not the case. That's probably why a lot end up with addiction problems and bankrupt.

Katie (and others I’ve seen) seem very angry at the people who have exploited them and feels put them into financial instability. You have a lot of fickle friends in that industry so it must be hard to trust people. I am only using Katie as an example as she has been mentioned but she is clearly very angry and upset at how she feels she has been treated so I am not sure it’s obvious that she’s had a happy life, she says she has PTSD and the papers make stuff up about her and won’t leave her alone. Britney is another example. People do mock them now they are older and I think the industry treats women terribly.

I would like to think that they are/were happy as there is no reason I would wish them not to be! I am not jealous of them just curious about how others perceive the industry they work in to be anything but toxic. Most of these women were young when they get into it so it’s all they know, perhaps that’s it - they are fairly happy as they don’t know any other way to live?

Could anyone really say that KP has been happy though?

Yes she may want different things and have different values but having seen everything play out over the years she's had a very sad life. She's openly publicised this.

You could say her life would have been like that whether she was famous or not.

Goodness OP, come on here and say the sky's blue and 10 people will jump on and say it's not. No idea why people are suddenly all standing up for KP who is generally hated on here!
KP has had a miserable life for years and years now, pretty much her time with Pete was probably the only happyish, stableish time of her life.

Who cares for a big house and an expensive car? Not me, I just want a place to live and something to get me from A to B. I'm not going to sell my soul and have my kids all over SM to make me money. Not going to have to get naked for randoms to wank over to make a buck. It's not a great life IMO, the constant hassle, not being able to do normal things because everyone wants a pic, there are paps trying to catch you out, and you have no idea if anyone genuinely likes you or just wants a slice of your fame. It's no wonder so many end up drinking or on drugs.

I forgot about Britney Spears. Although she is obviously a huge star.

I think that a lot of these people especially the women are exploited while they are very young.

This isn't a jealous or nasty post. I've always wished KP would have gone off into the sunset with her children and her money, but that's not going to happen.

It's been obvious for a long time that Katie Price appears to have mental health issues. Probably exacerbated by the people in her life, especially the men, who have exploited her.

Many of these women have been used up and spat out by a merciless industry, there have also been suicides. They are judged predominantly on how they look and scrutinised for tiny flaws. They are held to a very different standard to men doing similar.

Some have made it big, the Kardashians for example are billionaires. Some can afford a very nice life and get lots of freebies and endorsements but it comes at a price.

That's mumsnet for you 🙄

There will be some celebs that have made it work or them, quit while they're ahead. But lots just seem to end up having tragic lives, even if they do get to drive a flash car.

There are influencers now who are actually filming their children on the toilet and putting it on their stories.

I agree with your hubby. Sorry lol
I also think they ARE talented. Katie price if nothing else, is an entertainer. And a good one! Because even you, are talking about her. (Not being rude) nobody can take away that she has worked hard and I say good for her x

I thunk it says more about the people that get them their lives the celebrities themselves

The people that are obsessed with the reality TV shows, follow their every move on social media, copy everything the celebrities do, parent through what they do, complain 'my life is over as I can't copy what they do'

These 'celebrities' wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the guillable public that puts them there

@beauty45 it's a fair enough pov, which was why I asked.

Not all celebs are the same so KP was just one example. I would disagree about the talent, although she is entertaining. But then so were Jeremy Kyle guests in their day.

My pov is that she was exploited for her looks and her shocking lifestyle at a time when that sort of thing sold.

Being a “celeb” as a job without it being a side effect of being say an actor or singer is my idea of hell.

However, there are plenty of people who have made it work. If you’ve got an opportunity in this space and you exploit it rather than letting it or others exploit you, you can do well. Use that relatively limited window of interest to make money to build up assets and not spend it all. Understand you wo t have brand deals and reality Tv forever and plan accordingly. So when you can’t make money from being a celebrity you have investments that will give you and your family a comfortable but perhaps not extravagant life going forward.

Of course doing that required the hide of a rhino, a really strong sense of self, an unwavering determination to focus on end goal of asset accumulation, a supportive network who don’t take advantage and managing not to buckle under the pressure. it would absolutely not be for me nor would I want my kids doing it. But some people do manage it.

It does give them a good lifestyle and up to them if that's how they want to earn it. These people often have business/property etc etc in the background which is also making them money. Obviously it's gone so wrong for Katie but when it was good she was smashing it financially.

Absolutely I agree.
I think her in particular is a sad case. I think she's lived a lavish life and obviously the kids have benefited massively from that too but look at her now. She hates herself. As for all the surgery. I do like her though. It's weird lol xx

@NowYouSee yes I agree some do. Stacey Solomon seems to be doing well and making it work. She seems very savvy, she's selling her lifestyle, enough that people buy her brand but not so much that it tips into showing herself up and complete invasion of privacy.

I'm just as bad for watching and following these people, but I do find it interesting.

I think you're both partly right. It's not a lifestyle I'd try and chase for myself. It looks fucking miserable.

@beauty45 I have a soft spot for her, probably because she's been around for so long and I always hoped she'd make good.

She is an extreme case though in the problem she's had.

I understand your husband’s pov.

Money doesn’t make you happy but it must be great not worrying about how to fund a house or holidays. I don’t think that KP would have necessarily been happier if she’d not been famous. Her worries may be different and she may still be in the common trap of spending too much on plastic surgery and hair etc

There is a short shelf life but I can totally understand someone thinking that it was well worth it if they end their fame with assets like a million pound house or a business which they can enjoy for the rest of their lives.

I am very sympathetic to the kids of people like this and hope that they have happy, successful lives thanks to the advantages that their parents hopefully invested in like education and head starts like property and business start up money.( I noticed Princess Andre modelling online )

I am old enough to have watched sons reality shows when they started to get big in the early 2000s and am pretty surprised that they are still popular but I guess that the industry have learned how to maximise profit from previously unknown people and they can also hire management who can point to other revenue streams like sponsored SM posts.

Agree that in the eyes of those doing it the money makes it absolutely worth it. These people have homes, holidays and luxuries I'll never have and yea, I'm a bit jealous that.

However I've not jealous at the lack of integrity they have for often pimping their kids out and will 100%!judge them to high heaven for doing that.

And also I think if choose to sell your soul like this just for the cash then you cannot whinge about times when actually, you don't want the publicity

There is a huge culture of using young women for entertainment just for being young and socially attractive, but it’s often flash in the pan type game. So the women have to ‘up’ the drama in their lives to keep their lives bankrolled, of course playing the role of Bad Woman. Older they get, less attention is paid, Katie Price has found herself in a clusterfuck situation of desperation. She’s made some shitty choices, she’s been used and abused by the media and men but is now a situation that if she stops engaging in the chaos she’s done.

Is Lauren the one who had children by that footballer? Who started on TOWIE or similar? I feel she’s being painted a villain and he’s being used as an example of ‘poor man being hoodwinked by a vixen’. Even the judges report was steeped in mostly blaming her.