Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

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The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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Try managing:
25-30 different teenagers through your classroom door every 50 minutes-of all abilities- for 27 lessons a week,
Plus two pre-school, Breaktime and after school duties every week (that's 6 in total -of 10-15 minutes each),
Plus teaching 5 x 20 minute PSHCE/Tutorial Periods,
Attending at least one after school meeting of 1 hour (2 is more common),
Attend CPD weekly,
Possibly doing a 1 hour lunchtime duty (even if you don't really want to- because someone capable has to do them),
Run extra GCSE/A level catch-up classes 2 x weekly before school at lunchtime or after school (which you are not paid for)
Prepare for and attend Parent Evenings for each year group
Write reports for each year group
Setting and marking tests and exams for each class
Planning every lesson to meet the needs of every child in it and ensure they each make required individual progress and meet 1/2 termly targets
Complete assessment data for every child
Manage behaviour in every lesson
Follow up behaviour issues
Take responsibility for Safeguarding of every chid you come into contact with
Take responsibility for the Health and Safety for every child in your classroom every lesson
Liaise with parents over all necessary issues
Complete required paperwork for everything- planning lessons, assessments, reporting incidents, letters to parents, school trips,
Be constantly alert in classrooms, on corridors, on duty, in the school playground, in the dining hall for signs of trouble and be prepared to intervene in violence, or dramas or even children who may have taken ill or taken an overdose/cut themselves had an accident
Be prepared to deal with children who tell you they have been hurt or assaulted physically or sexually - and compete all the required paperwork afterwards

All of this all the time

Then tell me teachers don't know about time-management.

What on earth did George Osborne do to improve teachers' terms and conditions?

@Shinyandnew1

Excatly. It’s like someone has a bingo card and is running through the most ignorant and insulting points to get a reaction.

I can’t be bother. I got to school at 7.30 am today and didn’t get home until 5.30 and I’m knackered.

I am concerned that hard working people may not take kindly to seeing staff in bed on weekday mornings.
Then you need to take it up with the MPs, MSM, SM, goady, idiot, and provocative posters that insist on posting misinformation to bring the profession down.

Well… this didn’t go the way you wanted OP 😅

What ideas have YOU got for recruitment and retainment. There are currently over 4000 jobs being advertised in the TES! My DC school as NO qualified Science teachers at the moment.

Also, if my neighbours saw my curtains closed and were offended by my ‘lie in’ I’d remind them of the times I come home at 10.30 pm after school concerts and shows, and the residential trips I’ve done (with very little sleep 😴) to ensure students can go on trips! And see if that enough bang for their buck!

Teachers are paid fairly well - around £50k once you include the value of their pension. That's pretty good pay round here. Maybe not if you live near London.

Teaching is the absolute last profession that needs to become AI lead (although it's already going that way, because of a combination of teacher shortages, and money saving).

I don't know every single bit of data on my kids in the same way an online platform can. But I do know which ones copy h/w and cheat on tests, which an online platform wouldn't. I can tell who's going through the motions, and who actually gets it.

I also know when kids need a bit of a rocket under them, and when they need calming down a bit, and when they need to take 5 minutes to regulate, and whether they need extra support with organisation. I know if their gran died last week (I usually know if their hamster died last week).

I know these things a) because I'm human, and b) because I care.

So teachers HAVE to open their blinds? What does closed blinds have to do with working?

Hmm. So many thoughts, so little time…

Here’s one though: state school cost vs private school cost = value for money.

You get what you pay for. Don’t like it? Cough up or suck it up.

Other thoughts circle around a recruitment crisis, a retention crisis, burnout, the poorest behaviour I’ve ever known in 25+ years on the job, the poorest mental health I’ve ever known for both staff and students.

But you want the reactive answer, and I’m in the mood to bite today, so that’s what you’ll get.

Cough up or suck it up.

You don't think teachers work for their wages. Do you know how many hours teachers work that they aren't paid for

Some of the comments from OP show her massive ignorance about schools and the workload of their staff

Sounds like a great idea.

Teachers are paid fairly well - around £50k once you include the value of their pension. That's pretty good pay round here. Maybe not if you live near London.

How does a pension that you won't receive till you're 70 help pay your rent and childcare and Asda shop?

Can we slag off your work productivity then? What do you do tonight contribute to society? Teachers pay taxes too...

😂😂😂 they don’t work for their wage 😂😂😂
let’s start attacking civil servants instead- for a start!

I agree in a way where I love teaching and I dont love being seen as a social care assistant/parent to kids wh oare not mine- I do however think that creating a bond with students is an important part of the teaching process. It's not just about teaching and shouldnt be. The best lessons I remember were not sitting in front of the computer, but my teachers being fab teachers.
I dont just deliver the reosurce, I sit down, chat, explain, go over things again, talk to students, learn about them. AI will never do this and it's really foolish to think that is 30 kids sit in the same room spoken to by an AI voice somehow education will be 'fixed'.

WTF I do not even know where to start with this 😂😂 Is it a joke?

You clearly have a weird obsession with curtains and blinds. They are parts of a house's furnishings, not a barometer of productivity and moral fibre.

This would NOT happen in the school I work in. This is not the answer to fixing the issue with lack of teachers!

Yep I was literally walking out of the door tonight had my bag on and there was a safeguarding issue. I had to put my bag down and stay another 2 hours. I was on site at 6am and left at 5:40pm without one second of break. Sometimes I've had to stay until midnight to deal with safeguarding issues that were serious and involved police etc.

Those who know, know. Those who do not spread shit like the OP.

Well that was the typical stupid comment I'd expect of George Osborne, who has no idea that some people work shifts, some people work weekends, some people have a shorter commute and some people can't work due to disabilities. Your rhetoric is getting increasibly creepy. "Seeing school staff in bed"?! It's one thing making weird assumptions based on their curtains (my curtains are currently closed because I've been in online meetings most of the day and the sun causes glare off the screen, not because I'm asleep!) but if you're somehow seeing them in bed and are not living with them then frankly you need locking up.

Pray do tell how you would "also look to increase exclusions to improve behaviour." It might be an idea to write to the government, the unions and Ofsted because nobody else has ever thought of this. Groundbreaking. A little problem like this is so easily sorted? Please, do tell. If the actual government can't sort this out, what do you suggest?

I actually found it a bit heartbreaking how utterly delighted the teacher was to be able to take his kids to school for the first time.
The fact that government are having to step in and say they should be able to take their 10% planning time from home is crazy - that should have been a given. That planning day is a similar level of work to many peoples desk jobs but feels like a day off to teachers- you can wee when you want! Luxury!
YABU. Try it for a year and see!

Edited to clarify the planning day is one a fortnight (or equivalent) in case I'd inadvertently given the impression they get one a week. They should, though.

You'd probably earn less in most private sector jobs round here and also have a measly pension. It’s tough for everyone with wage stagnation.

My DC attends one of these schools. The teachers are amazing, and give 100% to the kids. If these incentives help retain them and attract more of their calibre it can only be a good thing.