Nursery staff won't provide out of hours care?

[ThatMauveSquid]

My baby goes to a council run/owned nursery. I want to go out for dinner next week two nights on the go - with a friend. However baby will need looking after.

Everyone says to ask the nursery staff, which I'm 100% comfortable with them looking after the baby, but it's a council run nursery and I don't think they would be allowed to?

It would be so ideal if one of the workers I already know could do it :/

I used to be a nursery nurse and frequently babysat. I was amazing at it. My view was that it was time to do with what I liked and if they paid me a livable wage I wouldn't have needed to.

Yup. That about cover it. No head tilting or aww hun all us ladies together on mn. Rightly so.

Can't see what the problem is. My child's key worker is going to babysit for us next week. There's nothing against it in contract, I asked openly and there was no need for secrecy. Various ladies at the nursery offered to help. My colleague also does this with her son in Scotland and gave me the idea.

We live in a rural area in a non expensive part of the country though, maybe elsewhere its different.

We will be paying above minimum wage for the babysitting btw before anyone asks

This makes zero sense. You’d definitely have to pay them (or anyone) more than £5 an hour to babysit!!! I pay our babysitter (neighbours daughter) £15 an hour!

Them babysitting for you is nothing to do with nursery op. You’re offered them a little job one off that’s all. It’s zero to do with nursery and their pay check there.

It’s everything to do with the nursery if it’s a contractural breach
I’m sure it happens discreetly but most nursery don’t allow it. Multitude of reason eg poach staff fir nanny role, accusations of favouritism, what happens if something goes amiss, other parents complain, maintain boundaries etc

Our nursery said basically they didn't need to know as it was something between us and the nursery teacher out of hours. Definitely check with the nursery to be sure though.

Ask them - we used DT’s key workers as our weekly babysitters for years. No restrictions on them doing this. Worked really well as DT’s already knew them and we trusted them.

OP, you're being really snarky for someone who is fretting this much about asking the staff at your own child's nursery a simple question!

Just ask. 2 members of staff offered to look after my children.

Ours do it. They just explain it’s entirely separate and nothing to do with nursery so their insurance doesn’t cover it

you won’t get them for £5 an hour though. You’ll need to pay them at least min wage.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Babysitting rates are £15 an hour, nannying more. You can’t see that one of the childcare workers could make considerably more from becoming a nanny than working in the nursery.

Surely a clause is for poaching someone and using them as a nanny / babysitter and poaching from their role, not sure why it’s being made so complex with morals etc. This is outside of nursery hours, and extra work. I would just ask office or send an email. Ours and many I know even keep a list of staff who babysit. We use it often.

I would ask when you drop your child off , it will be a yes or no . But be prepared to be charged @ £15 per hour or more after midnight.

Our nursery allowed this but we had to sign a waiver that this was not linked to the nursery just a private arrangement between us and the staff.

You are making a mountain out of this op. Just ask the manager "Do any of your staff do baby sitting out of hours?". They will either say yes or no, if no you can say do they know of any reputable baby sitting services. Then if not your friend will have to suck it up and get a taxi to yours.

I thought it was perfect. That commenter isn’t being helpful with her pursed-lips ‘that’s immoral!!!’ Replies. Doesn’t deserve politeness imo

That's life with kids. You want to go out 2 nights on the trot. You don't have childcare, so you cannot go out. Your friend can come to you, though.
Life with kids means few opportunities to live your own 'best life
Having kids does not mean giving up any life for yourself!
Very odd comment.
Also, OP how does your friend manage contravening she's scared of being in a taxi ?

Our nursery forbid this in the contract. I'd read through your t&c again and if there's nothing in there then ask. Don't expect them to want to though. They'll be working with kids all day so might already have a second job if they wanted one somewhere like a pub to get away from kids for a bit. Also make sure you don't imply their nursery job is simply babysitting.

the policy in our nursery is no out of ours babysitting, apparently the owner thinks it’s unprofessional and shows favouritism. However the staff do it discreetly. I’ve never had occasion to ask them but I know other mums have and it has got a few staff members in trouble but they still do it. I think if you ask quietly and discreetly you’ll probably find a lot of them will do it.

My nursery has a policy all parents and staff sign saying any out of hours babysitting is private arrangement between the 2 parties and nothing to do with the nursery so if something happened you can’t come blame the nursery

Invite them round to yours it will be way more relaxed

I think lots of mumsnetters think they’re being really cool and clever with their unpleasant replies, when actually they just look like nasty wee children trying to bring op down a peg for no reason. See the absolute embarrassments who are proud to be called ‘vipers’. Really strange behaviour from grown women!

She means the nursery can't say no to her asking, not the individual member of staff!

Just ask and get a babysitter if they say no. This isn't an AIBU.....

This is very odd indeed. Surely you’d simply say hey does anyone do baby sitting, I’m out to dinner next week? Yes. Great thanks. No, ok no worries, do you know anyone who does?