To be annoyed by this?

[Hernamewaslola22]

I work in a team of about 15 people and we all start at the same time every day and always have. Every day starts with a team meeting. 1 or 2 people are 5 - 10 minutes late EVERY day, often with no apology. There's been emails, it's been brought up at meetings but nothing changes. I think it's so inconsiderate.

I work In a supermarket, I changed my hours when I came back from maternity leave a year ago and to begin with it was fine, then when he got given the new site I tried to be on time and after the 3rd week of being late I went and spoke to my manager (hoping he'd say start at 6 instead) and I explained the issue and he was like oh that's fine, I'll let the others know you'll be a bit late. But I still feel like everyone's judging me when I walk onto the floor, and like my direct colleagues are pissed off, but I'm a people pleaser so the slightest feeling of annoying people cringes my soul

I'd start every meeting by announcing their tardiness-

'Theo and Susannah don't usually arrive for another ten minutes , so I'm just going to get a coffee/check my emails/chat about where we should have our Christmas meal!'

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for all you know they have spoken to their boss about this explaining they will be late and why. I certainly wouldn't be disclosing my reasons to anyone but my boss

Yes, that would make you look professional and mature 😉

Is the am meeting a team handover so essential info needed on a day to day basis re life and limb, or is it performative time wasting?

It also means they miss important announcements.

So the meeting starts without them? So it doesn't really waste your time?

If it's been brought up, I assume their manager is aware? It won't reflect well on them. But unless it's affecting you directly, I'd just try to ignore anyone else's performance issues. You can't fix it, it's on the manager. There's no point being annoyed, even though you're right that they should be on time.

Why should the time of the meeting have to change because people can't be bothered to get there on time? Suspect if the meeting was 5 minutes later they would still be late!

To call their bluff. If they are still late, even when the time of the meeting is changed, everyone will know they're talking the piss.
And by making the suggestion in front of everyone during the meeting, it might embarrass them into being on time.

Carl Jung identified chronic lateness as part of his work on personalities as struggling to effectively judge time.

Chronically late people tend to be time optimists and often work well underpressure than more time organised colleagues.

They could have ADHD where time blindness is a symptom in some people so they often run late, they can't help that, it's just something they have to live with.

There really isn't a lot chronically late people can do about it, and yes they are probably fully aware that they are annoying you and others. It just makes the situation worse for them but it won't change anything it's not something they can help.

Sorry it's not what you want to hear and you may not want to understand there are reasons why some people are chronically late. It's not an effort to upset you or anyone else who is more time organised, it's just part of their personality.

I don't buy this at all, none of them have ADHD. We're adults, we should be able to get to work on time.

Time optimism is a great way of wording this. Underestimating and not considering what May go wrong. I guess this also means if something does delay them, even regularly, it's deemed out of their hands and not something they could predict.

Are they doing school drop off? A few members of my team do this, and there is only a 5 min drop-off window, so it is a rush to get to work for 9 on the dot. We have a workplace policy that we don't start any meetings til 9.15, as a result.

My colleagues don’t know I have ADHD.

It’s not good that they’re not at the meetings on time but can the meeting not be pushed back by half an hour to e.g. 9.30? Yes, it shouldn’t have to change but a meeting first thing isn’t always in everyone’s best interests.

We don’t have a 9-5 culture in our office, people turn up any time between 8-11am. It would not register if anyone was ‘late’ except if they were late to a meeting. But most people avoid putting meetings in at 9am.

WTF? if you are contracted to start at 8, and/or you are required to be at a meeting at 8, then get the earlier train.

We've got a couple of people like that at my work, OP. They arrive midway through meetings with a 'Tada!!!! I'm here!!!!' attitude and then the managers spend time going back over the things we've already discussed. Very annoying.

I have ADHD and that's not an excuse, I'm actually very punctual but there are lots of digital aids to help be on time, setting timers on phones for example.

i used to experience a lot of this in a company i worked for.

when i started holding meetings i made it clear they would start ON THE DOT. and that nobody would be allowed in after that time. First meeting me and one other. 2nd meeting me and all except the 3 persistent latecomers. 3rd meeting same.

one of the 3 complained to the MD that they couldn't keep up by just reading the minutes. He started to read me the riot act until i pointed out the inefficiencies of 7 of us waiting for 3 more. With actual numbers of how much 5 minutes of everybody's time cost etc. And ever after? nearly no latecomers.

You are entitled to believe that but it won't change your colleagues. Time blindness, chronic lateness, and time optimism are well known symptoms of various things and traits. ADHD is difficult to diagnose in many just through observation and it doesn't have to be disclosed to colleagues or management if the employee doesnt want to.

If the management are concerned they will deal with it, they may be aware of something you aren't. You are entitled to make a complaint but it is unlikely to change anything, management/HR are probably already fully aware of the situation.

Sadly not my term but I totally agree it is a good term for this.

Not all people living with ADHD will have time blindness.

I am a carer for a close relative with chronic lateness as a personality trait. It doesn't matter how early I try and get things moving or how much I worry about getting them their for their appointment, I have to accept that we are almost always going to be 5 minutes late anywhere. There is nothing performative about it, she is just a chronically late personality.

I can be on time or early as much as I want but I can't force other adults to bend to my will.

This is me. Totally unable to judge time and how fast it goes. I do compensate by aiming to get in for 8 rather than 9 (I manage a team so I can't be seen to be late!) but my 8am is usually 8.15 or even 8.30 😁

I've reached a stage in life where basically I don't care if I hurt someone's feelings if they are in the wrong. Next time they are late I'd pull them and say "look I've made the effort to get here on time, so has everyone else. We now have to repeat the first 10 minutes because you are late. I'm fed up of you wasting my time. So I won't be attending these meetings again and one of you will need to up date me on anything important" then I'd her up and leave

No it can't be pushed back just because they can't be arsed to get out of bed on time.
We work in a profession caring for people, everyone needs to be at the meeting on time so that we can discuss what's on for the day, updates etc.

They don't have ADHD. I know this for a fact.

You definitely don't know it for a fact by the way, as I have ADHD and I'm high flying in my job and no one would have a clue because its not something I've needed to share. But people daily turning up 5 or 10 mins is a poor excuse to suggest they have ADHD to be fair. They are probably just lazy fuckers.

Yes.
You are right.
They should be on time.

However, they are not and you don't have any control over that so you can either accept it or complain about it.