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To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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UCConfuseMe · 16/09/2024 13:13

Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.
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YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 15:21

friendlycat · 17/09/2024 15:19

I have enormous sympathy for his wife, his adult children and their own children (if they have them).

Their humiliation and shame at his horrendous actions must be quite brutal, even though they are innocent of any crime here.

Absolutely. They've got to repair and heal whilst people cast aspersions over them, meanwhile he gets the benefit of a secure and safe place to heal.

Windchimesandsong · 17/09/2024 15:22

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 15:14

And it's her life ruined too because I've no doubt whatsoever that someone will blame her because should have known.

Yes and I think it might be best to avoid mentioning her name. I know it's probably been reported in the news but no need to include it here. I'm guessing she wants and needs to distance herself from him as much as possible.

Feel sorry for her and so sorry for his children.

SerafinasGoose · 17/09/2024 15:29

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 15:14

And it's her life ruined too because I've no doubt whatsoever that someone will blame her because should have known.

I feel absolutely sympathetic with her.

The newspapers ran photographs of her holding hands with him yesterday, which were years old from what I could make out, as though she'd been standing beside him in support as he attended his sentencing hearing.

She'd done nothing of the sort and doesn't deserve to be tainted by association. The woman must be reeling, as must their children.

Haroldwilson · 17/09/2024 15:35

Poiuytrewql · 17/09/2024 14:07

Why is SUCH an emphasis being placed on HE’s mental health? I’m sure he’s not doing well but that would be true for the vast majority in his situation or similar. What about the mental health of the children being abused?

Because it was a report into his psychological state, which is a normal thing in a court trial.

Haroldwilson · 17/09/2024 15:47

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 13:23

“Delivering his sentence, the judge said Edwards would be "particularly vulnerable" if he was given a custodial sentence, both from attack from others and as a suicide risk.”

Vulnerable just like the children he was happy to abuse.

Such a shitty excuse. Poor little Huw. We wouldn't want done to him what he was perfectly willing to do to others. 🙄
I mean, in a regular prison, he would never have been among gen pop. He'd have been separated from the get go and the asshole handing down the sentence knows this.
And eventually, he'd be moved to a place like Littlehey anyway.

The state has a responsibility to safeguard the personal safety of people in custody. Including horrible criminals.

Paedophiles generally get put in separate facilities as they're more at risk of attack, famous or not.

You might think it's wrong in this case but if the state could basically facilitate attacks on paedophiles, who else would they do it to?

SpudleyLass · 17/09/2024 15:49

Haroldwilson · 17/09/2024 15:47

The state has a responsibility to safeguard the personal safety of people in custody. Including horrible criminals.

Paedophiles generally get put in separate facilities as they're more at risk of attack, famous or not.

You might think it's wrong in this case but if the state could basically facilitate attacks on paedophiles, who else would they do it to?

I'm not convinced it follows that other demographics would be attacked.

Seems it mainly those who harm.children who get the worst of it

FOJN · 17/09/2024 16:15

Haroldwilson · 17/09/2024 15:47

The state has a responsibility to safeguard the personal safety of people in custody. Including horrible criminals.

Paedophiles generally get put in separate facilities as they're more at risk of attack, famous or not.

You might think it's wrong in this case but if the state could basically facilitate attacks on paedophiles, who else would they do it to?

The "state" doesn't create the prison hierarchy so they would not have the power to decide which groups of offenders other inmates determine are due some "prison justice", so your final question is redundant.

Arraminta · 17/09/2024 16:23

FOJN · 17/09/2024 12:58

I've always thought a sick fuckers colony surrounded by water and without internet access might be a solution.

I have no interest in them being mistreated as a form of punishment. I don't think they believe they are doing anything wrong, they just know that society thinks they are doing something wrong.

I think by the time they are abusing children or creating a market which requires children to be abused they are broken beyond repair and the only thing we can do is to make sure they never have the opportunity to offend again.

If some deluded people want to make it their life's work to fix them then they can crack on as long as they use their own children as the test subjects for the efficacy of any treatment program, with the understanding they too will be sent to the sick fuckers colony if they get it wrong. That should focus a few minds.

I would so vote for this. Just dump them all on an uninhabited Hebridean island and let them fight it out amongst themselves a la The Purge. And the rest of society can forget about them.

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 17/09/2024 16:42

Boo fucking hoo.
he’s a risk of suicide is he? Well so are many people who were sexually abused as children, the real victims in all of this.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 17:03

Haroldwilson · 17/09/2024 15:47

The state has a responsibility to safeguard the personal safety of people in custody. Including horrible criminals.

Paedophiles generally get put in separate facilities as they're more at risk of attack, famous or not.

You might think it's wrong in this case but if the state could basically facilitate attacks on paedophiles, who else would they do it to?

Ah! Safeguarding! Wonderful word. So glad you’re using it as a tool of enlightenment to educate the rest of us.

Speaking of safeguarding. My former husband was an NHS clinical safeguarding lead for over a decade. Safeguarding is such a big responsibility. And how ironic that the very person (my ex) who breached everyone’s trust and deceived them under the banner of ‘safeguarding’ now depends on being safeguarded in prison (he’s a paedophile predatory sex offender)… as in ‘life or death’ depends on it.

I’m not on this thread to be swayed into favouring the protection of human drek.

OonaStubbs · 17/09/2024 17:52

Paedophiles are lower than vermin IMO. Their "human rights" should not even be a consideration.

Windchimesandsong · 17/09/2024 18:02

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 17:03

Ah! Safeguarding! Wonderful word. So glad you’re using it as a tool of enlightenment to educate the rest of us.

Speaking of safeguarding. My former husband was an NHS clinical safeguarding lead for over a decade. Safeguarding is such a big responsibility. And how ironic that the very person (my ex) who breached everyone’s trust and deceived them under the banner of ‘safeguarding’ now depends on being safeguarded in prison (he’s a paedophile predatory sex offender)… as in ‘life or death’ depends on it.

I’m not on this thread to be swayed into favouring the protection of human drek.

I think many people might be surprised, if they realised it's not that uncommon for abusers to be working in positions of trust and dealing with vulnerable people.

It's something not talked about, acknowledged, or addressed enough, I guess partly because often organisations have a "cover up culture" and prioritise "protecting the organisation's reputation" over the safety of the public.

Probably also doesn't help that the safeguarding or similar positions of trust give the abusers a false cover of being a decent and respectable person with good morals. People don't want to believe accusations because "so and so is such a lovely person and does such good and important work".

I imagine that's exactly what attracts abusers to these roles.

Lovefromjuliaxo · 17/09/2024 19:04

Blondiebeachbabe · 17/09/2024 14:43

There can be NO excuse for this kind of crime, none. It's a deeply ingrained desire to view children sexually. It doesn't happen by accident.

"Oh, my Mum died on Monday, and by Thursday I was a paedophile"

Fuck right off with that Shite!!

We all have sexual preferences, and they don't spin on a dime because of trauma.

Another point I want to make : how much money has this court case cost? If there was no punishment at the end, why fucking bother?

Last point - he hasn't repaid the BBC for the £200k he received for no work - tells you all you need to know about his morals.

Has his wife left him, at least?

No excuse at all, unfortunately I believe that if someone fancies children/ has an attraction to them it can’t be removed from them. I think all these stop it now! Services, therapy etc they make people who get caught do a complete waste of time and money. Sure it might help them from being able to act on it (whether first hand or viewing images) but they will always go back. It’s like trying to stop someone being gay, straight or asexual. It ain’t going to happen. Money needs to be spent on
more prison/ ensuring they don’t have access to children irl or online.

Arraminta · 17/09/2024 19:17

Lovefromjuliaxo · 17/09/2024 19:04

No excuse at all, unfortunately I believe that if someone fancies children/ has an attraction to them it can’t be removed from them. I think all these stop it now! Services, therapy etc they make people who get caught do a complete waste of time and money. Sure it might help them from being able to act on it (whether first hand or viewing images) but they will always go back. It’s like trying to stop someone being gay, straight or asexual. It ain’t going to happen. Money needs to be spent on
more prison/ ensuring they don’t have access to children irl or online.

Yes I totally agree. Being physically attracted to child is their sexuality. It can't just be switched off. It's like asking someone to just stop being gay.

rainsofcastamere · 17/09/2024 20:34

"The state has a responsibility to safeguard the personal safety of people in custody. Including horrible criminals.

Paedophiles generally get put in separate facilities as they're more at risk of attack, famous or not.

You might think it's wrong in this case but if the state could basically facilitate attacks on paedophiles, who else would they do it to?"

Whilst I understand my thoughts and opinions won't change the 'justice system' or 'safeguarding' of this country, I pray for a day where we would dangle people like Huw Edwards from bridges instead of 'safeguard' them. I mean, when you're literally lower than than a shit on the floor why do you deserve to be safeguarded? Get shut of him. Again, it's never going to change but it's a real shame that the safeguarding of a nonce is more important than him/her actually facing justice.

FOJN · 17/09/2024 20:52

Arraminta · 17/09/2024 16:23

I would so vote for this. Just dump them all on an uninhabited Hebridean island and let them fight it out amongst themselves a la The Purge. And the rest of society can forget about them.

I understand the impulse to see them suffer but my idea is really only about the risk of them re offending being reduced to zero.

They can be a self supporting community. There will be people of all professions and trades. We can provide them with the materials to build houses, grow food and set up their own healthcare system etc but they will not have any access to children or the internet where they could access child abuse images. In many respects they are capable of being functional adults it's just that in the one aspect they aren't, they cause unacceptable harm to children. It's their seeming normality that allows lots of them to go undetected.

I think as a society we are in denial about our ability to fix or manage these type of offenders and I don't think children should pay the price for our stupidity, naivety or arrogance. Our willingness to accept all sorts of excuses in mitigation for their offences is an insult to other people who have had difficult childhoods or mental health problems and who, by virtue of being normal, decent human beings, manage not to sexually abuse children.

I think about the years of "rehabilitation" John Venables had between the ages of 10 - 18 and he still reoffended and I wonder just how early do we have to catch them and how long do we have to rehabilitate them to be sure we are not putting children at risk by releasing them into society? In this situation if you feel the need to "assess risk" then the risk has already exceeded the tolerable threshold for a civilised society.

The human rights of child abusers should be never be a higher priority than children's safety and well being, its our job to make sure that standard is maintained, we are failing.

OonaStubbs · 17/09/2024 20:53

Just dig a big hole in the ground and throw them into it.

Threeandadash · 17/09/2024 21:04

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/09/2024 17:43

I think this thread shows the difficulties around subjects like this and why it's so hard to have a discussion without descending into name-calling.

It's so emotive, logic often goes out of the window with wild statements being made.

The problem is that being understandably angry at the perpetrators of CSA means it's difficult to have a rationed and reasonable discussion. Some of the comments just get a bit wild.

For example, as some knowledgeable PP pointed out - this is actually a fairly tough sentence compared to what others get. It's also been pointed out that the judge has their hands tied to some extent due to sentencing guidelines. And yet, there are PP who are accusing the judge of being a latent paedophile, and that's why Edwards got off so lightly. It's just ridiculous and unhelpful.

I think the vast majority of us here agree that there's a problem with sentencing guidelines, and an overhaul of the law would be helpful. That's an entirely separate issue but it's not what some PP are saying. There's no acknowledgement that actually, there wasn't much the judge could do because there are sentencing guidelines in place. Slating those who are implementing the current laws is unfair.

The law clearly needs radical change especially with such prevalence of CSA, which is truly shocking. Some of the figures posted here in terms of how many cases there are every year is sickening. It IS mainly men, just like other sexual crimes, and that's where the focus needs to be. However, comments about letting out all the women or making men pay more tax are just infuriating as they're ideological and also unfair.

The real question is, how DO we reform this? I don't know enough about the efficacy of deterrent custodial sentences but the fact is there's not enough prison spaces. So what crimes do we go lighter on to make spaces for CSA cases?

People on this thread are talking about not bothering to imprison for non-violent crimes. And yet, on countless other threads, MN posters are furious about benefit fraud and think people need to be locked up for it. We can't have it all.

The system needs radical reform but I don't know what that looks like, or how it could be funded. But there needs to be real appetite for huge change - and the difficulty with that is that the public won't agree on what's OK and what's not. Look at the furore about Labour releasing some prisoners early - and that's now bitten them on the arse. People are outraged about early releases while simultaneously wanting extra magical spaces for CSA.

I don't think pointing out the practicalities or underlining the difficulties means you don't care. It's possible to have been personally affected by CSA and still want a rational and fact-driven resolution that protects our children in the most effective way.

And also, that means enabling paedophiles to come forward without shame for treatment/help. I'm not referring to people who are doing harm - I'm talking about (probably young) men who realise they have unhealthy attraction to children. BEFORE they access images of children, BEFORE they touch a child......let's get these people help. There will be some that don't want help and glory in their sick tastes - but there will be some that are disgusted with themselves. Right now, there's no easy way to seek help - there needs to be a pathway that can be offered to men to prevent them continuing, to prevent them doing harm to children. People don't like to talk about this because it's dismissed as being a "paedo sympathiser" but nothing can be further from the truth. Prevention is so, so important because only by throwing resources at early prevention together with deterrents and restrictions for offenders, will we actually achieve anything. It's how we protect our children.

I'm 48 and I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of men and their sexual crimes, our patriarchal society, and misogynism. But at the same time I recognise that we need practical, achievable goals that are actually effective and don't just service an emotional demand.

(Ps - @WinterMorn, thank you, I've found your responses to be balanced and informative, even though it's perhaps not great reading in terms of what's expected and normal in these cases).

Thank you for this post. It's a breath of regulation in a sea of emotion.

Lovefromjuliaxo · 17/09/2024 22:15

Yes, absolutely. While a threat from the law or “therapy” may stop them briefly, I don’t think it’s a permanent fix at all. Prison does not solve anything either, other than it keeps them away from kids for a brief amount of time (however long the sentence is) but is not a permanent solution. Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated.

i really don’t know what would be the ideal route to take for someone like Edward’s, other than to ban him from the internet and give him a basic phone that is trackable by the police. Also to ban him from being near children and schools, including his underage family members.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 17/09/2024 22:20

@UCConfuseMe it’s not keir. It’s local authority bullshit.

Postersandpaint · 17/09/2024 23:35

I completely agree OP. He was well enough to work in an extremely demanding job and is now suddenly confused, mentally ill and so on. This had been going on for years and he had got away with it and functioned until he was found out.

Sexual abuse of children is not a sexual orientation. These were category a images involving a 7 - 9 year old boy, that means sexual penetration. An eight year old child being sexually penetrated is going to be painful. Getting off on that isn’t a sexual orientation, it’s evil.

Sentencing doesn’t make sense. For inciting violence online during the riots, people got 20 months +. Ofcourse they were wrong, I’m in no way reducing that BUT how do these crimes get given 20 months, but watching a child being brutally raped receives a suspended sentence? Paedophiles need to go to prison to be amongst prisoners and get back some of the pain and violation they love to watch/inflict on innocent children. I don’t know why they need to be protected. Where was the protection for the eight year old boy whose body was tortured for sexual gratification?

ilovesooty · 18/09/2024 08:41

They need to be protected in prison as failure to do so puts prison staff at risk.

BeethovenNinth · 18/09/2024 08:45

I haven’t fully RTT but am absolutely horrified this man has avoided jail.

Runki · 18/09/2024 08:54

@FragileWookiee I wonder this too. I also wonder how much Freemasonry is involved too.

Runki · 18/09/2024 09:07

@Postersandpaint Thank you. People who would even consider wanting to look at a poor child being tortured like that....I can't put here what I would want to happen as punishment for the bastard that this thread is about. In my opinion he doesn't deserve a place on this earth. I think that this sentence gives out a strong message to other paedophiles that they have a good excuse to continue looking at this stuff, as it's not taken that seriously if they're caught. Seven years on the register? Why not life on the register?! Is he going to magically stop having these urges after seven years? That boy has a lifetime of trauma and anger ahead of him. The bastard who propagates the circulation of these images is just gutted he has been caught. How many years has he been doing this and would continue to have done so had he not been found out? Whilst pompously "educating" the nation on the BBC news. As so many others here have commented, many of us have had mean fathers and abusive childhoods. I did myself. It made me want to be even more kind and protective of my own children so that they would never have to go through what I did. How the courts can justify this as an excuse is just so depressing and illogical.

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