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To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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UCConfuseMe · 16/09/2024 13:13

Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.
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ilovesooty · 17/09/2024 13:21

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:09

It doesn't come under the classification of a mental health condition though does it?

Cases of it can lead to depression etc but the disease itself isn't a mental health condition

It is a precursor to vascular dementia and affects cognition and decision making. It's very much a mental health problem.

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:22

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That was me.

Why are you so triggered by women being angry over yet another sex crime committed by a man?

Do men committing crimes against women and children not bother you?

Nobody had to point out men commit crimes on the Lucy Letby threads and no one said "my wife would never do that, it's not all women" everyone was allowed to feel how they chose on there.

But for some reason, it angers women when people are angry at a male criminal

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 13:23

“Delivering his sentence, the judge said Edwards would be "particularly vulnerable" if he was given a custodial sentence, both from attack from others and as a suicide risk.”

Vulnerable just like the children he was happy to abuse.

Such a shitty excuse. Poor little Huw. We wouldn't want done to him what he was perfectly willing to do to others. 🙄
I mean, in a regular prison, he would never have been among gen pop. He'd have been separated from the get go and the asshole handing down the sentence knows this.
And eventually, he'd be moved to a place like Littlehey anyway.

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:25

ilovesooty · 17/09/2024 13:21

It is a precursor to vascular dementia and affects cognition and decision making. It's very much a mental health problem.

It can lead to mental health problems but it's a neurological condition which isn't a mental health condition

Dementia isn't a mental health condition. It's a brain disease that can affect mental health

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 13:27

Nobody had to point out men commit crimes on the Lucy Letby threads and no one said "my wife would never do that, it's not all women" everyone was allowed to feel how they chose on there.

YES! Exactly! 👏👏👏
No brigade showing up to crash that thread.

Efacsen · 17/09/2024 13:28

ilovesooty · 17/09/2024 13:21

It is a precursor to vascular dementia and affects cognition and decision making. It's very much a mental health problem.

Neuro-cognitive disorders like SVD are classified in DSM 5 - the Diagnostic an Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Assoc. And are diagnosed and treated by mental health professionals

cookiebee · 17/09/2024 13:31

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:22

That was me.

Why are you so triggered by women being angry over yet another sex crime committed by a man?

Do men committing crimes against women and children not bother you?

Nobody had to point out men commit crimes on the Lucy Letby threads and no one said "my wife would never do that, it's not all women" everyone was allowed to feel how they chose on there.

But for some reason, it angers women when people are angry at a male criminal

I was sexually abused at 5 by a teen girl on a few occasions, in my 20s suffered numerous sexual assaults in bars from men and was raped twice by the same man, of course I’m bothered. What I was getting at is yours or anyone’s surprise at people wanting to say that there are men who don’t do this when you gun for the whole of the male sex. You make a point of searching threads for anyone who says hold on, stop lumping everyone in together, you are actively searching for these arguments, just don’t be surprised when some want to defend any sons or husbands they know.

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:32

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 13:27

Nobody had to point out men commit crimes on the Lucy Letby threads and no one said "my wife would never do that, it's not all women" everyone was allowed to feel how they chose on there.

YES! Exactly! 👏👏👏
No brigade showing up to crash that thread.

And this is what I mean by its a man's world.

Vilify women and protect men.

Even the ones who say that men get attacked too by men, refuse to see how dangerous men are

I don't understand how a woman can feel so comfortable and confident in shouting down another woman in order to protect a man when that man is likely to be the one that hurts you

BlackShuck3 · 17/09/2024 13:34

Why do so many men and women leap to the defence of men?
I think this is to do with the way the power and dominance works. I think it's an animal impulse type of thing, our default impulse is usually to align ourselves with whoever holds power.

Petitchat · 17/09/2024 13:38

Arraminta · 17/09/2024 12:22

Who gives a shit that HE 'might be at risk of taking his own life?' I honestly couldn't care less if he topped himself and in fact he would be doing the world a favour.

Millions of people have a strict father (try growing up with a military Dad, Huw) and didn't get into Oxford. They've all somehow managed to not indulge in child sex abuse.

It's ridiculous and insulting isn't it?
There's often suggestions that strict father = the need to abuse chidren.

Why? Doesn't make sense....

Petitchat · 17/09/2024 13:39

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:22

That was me.

Why are you so triggered by women being angry over yet another sex crime committed by a man?

Do men committing crimes against women and children not bother you?

Nobody had to point out men commit crimes on the Lucy Letby threads and no one said "my wife would never do that, it's not all women" everyone was allowed to feel how they chose on there.

But for some reason, it angers women when people are angry at a male criminal

Incredible!!
But why?.....

SerafinasGoose · 17/09/2024 13:41

BlackShuck3 · 17/09/2024 13:34

Why do so many men and women leap to the defence of men?
I think this is to do with the way the power and dominance works. I think it's an animal impulse type of thing, our default impulse is usually to align ourselves with whoever holds power.

It has to be either a 'pick me' or 'crocodile will eat you last' scenario.

Perhaps it gives the comforting illusion that visibly supporting the more powerful demographic will somehow rescue them from suffering at its hands in some way and at some time.

Bad news. It won't.

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:43

cookiebee · 17/09/2024 13:31

I was sexually abused at 5 by a teen girl on a few occasions, in my 20s suffered numerous sexual assaults in bars from men and was raped twice by the same man, of course I’m bothered. What I was getting at is yours or anyone’s surprise at people wanting to say that there are men who don’t do this when you gun for the whole of the male sex. You make a point of searching threads for anyone who says hold on, stop lumping everyone in together, you are actively searching for these arguments, just don’t be surprised when some want to defend any sons or husbands they know.

So you were sexually abused by a teen girl? You do know that it's not all teen girls and that men do it too? My younger sister would never do that, I can't believe your lumping all teen girls as abusers.

Doesn't really help does it?

It doesn't help the other way round either which is the point I've made and the point you spectacularly chose to miss.

However when it comes to sex crimes, 98% of those crimes, including rape, are carried out by men compared to the 2% carried out by women.

Therefore when someone comes on and points out that women are just as bad, it doesn't really stack up when there's a huge, huge difference in numbers.

Likewise, defending the males on your family is natural, however because of the statistics, I'm more likely to be attacked and I don't know which male will attack me. I've got to trust it won't be my husband or my son but I've got to take appropriate precautions for anyone outside of my family.

How often do you hear people saying "well I never thought he would do that, he was such a lovely kind man" men can groom those around them and be the loveliest, kindest man, until they're not.

64 women are in UK prisons on charges if paedophilia. 4900 are men. This isn't including those on suspend sentences.

There's around 66,000 people on the sex offenders registers between 2 and 5% are women.

It's not all men, but it's most likely to be a man.

Efacsen · 17/09/2024 13:45

SerafinasGoose · 17/09/2024 13:41

It has to be either a 'pick me' or 'crocodile will eat you last' scenario.

Perhaps it gives the comforting illusion that visibly supporting the more powerful demographic will somehow rescue them from suffering at its hands in some way and at some time.

Bad news. It won't.

You see it with bullies in school - a clutch of hanger-ons who are frightened of the bully and support them to avoid being victimised themselves

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:50

Petitchat · 17/09/2024 13:39

Incredible!!
But why?.....

Self preservation. Siding with the ones with the most power and showing similar attitudes in the hope of keeping themselves safe

BlackShuck3 · 17/09/2024 13:54

I think that the siding with men /dominant group thing is mostly unconscious, ie people following their impulses without examining their behavior.
Many people are not given to reflecting on or examining their behaviour or feelings.

Whatafustercluck · 17/09/2024 14:04

Imagine if women, or black and Asian people, were suddenly responsible for 95% of violent crime. The headlines it would make! Male violence - against women, against children, against other men, is an epidemic. No, a pandemic. It's just that nobody calls it out because it's the way it's always been. And when you call it out, you're faced with cries of "not all men!" Not until men have the guts to ask the questions of their fellow men that women are currently asking, will anything ever change. "It's just the way it is" is not a justification of the levels of male violence we see, and have always seen, throughout history.

I'm the mother of a perfectly lovely son, wife of a perfectly lovely husband. Of course I know it's Not All Men. But if the good men (and their wives and girlfriends) don't stand with the rapists, the abusers, the muggers, the hooligans etc, then there's a line in the sand and they should be standing with women, and with children, and with other good men and demanding action - not absolving themselves of any and all responsibility.

Poiuytrewql · 17/09/2024 14:07

Why is SUCH an emphasis being placed on HE’s mental health? I’m sure he’s not doing well but that would be true for the vast majority in his situation or similar. What about the mental health of the children being abused?

Lovefromjuliaxo · 17/09/2024 14:38

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 17/09/2024 12:23

We get your fucking point.
You're not wrong.
You're just agenda-driven.

Nope, just fed up of people on here claiming folk who say all men are evil/women are all innocent saying anyone who disagrees is a troll.

ilovesooty · 17/09/2024 14:39

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 13:25

It can lead to mental health problems but it's a neurological condition which isn't a mental health condition

Dementia isn't a mental health condition. It's a brain disease that can affect mental health

However you look at it his brain was affected.

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 14:41

Lovefromjuliaxo · 17/09/2024 14:38

Nope, just fed up of people on here claiming folk who say all men are evil/women are all innocent saying anyone who disagrees is a troll.

No one has said woman are innocent though? I've said several times that I'm aware women commit crimes but it doesn't need to be raised every time a man commits a crime does it?

It doesn't happen on threads about female crimes.

Blondiebeachbabe · 17/09/2024 14:43

There can be NO excuse for this kind of crime, none. It's a deeply ingrained desire to view children sexually. It doesn't happen by accident.

"Oh, my Mum died on Monday, and by Thursday I was a paedophile"

Fuck right off with that Shite!!

We all have sexual preferences, and they don't spin on a dime because of trauma.

Another point I want to make : how much money has this court case cost? If there was no punishment at the end, why fucking bother?

Last point - he hasn't repaid the BBC for the £200k he received for no work - tells you all you need to know about his morals.

Has his wife left him, at least?

Efacsen · 17/09/2024 14:54

Yes @Blondiebeachbabe Vicky Flind is divorcing him

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 15:14

Efacsen · 17/09/2024 14:54

Yes @Blondiebeachbabe Vicky Flind is divorcing him

And it's her life ruined too because I've no doubt whatsoever that someone will blame her because should have known.

friendlycat · 17/09/2024 15:19

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 15:14

And it's her life ruined too because I've no doubt whatsoever that someone will blame her because should have known.

I have enormous sympathy for his wife, his adult children and their own children (if they have them).

Their humiliation and shame at his horrendous actions must be quite brutal, even though they are innocent of any crime here.

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