To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

Of course it bloody matters, I am discussed at the H.E sentencing. I’m just fed up of people acting like women never commit crimes like this. And when they do, the punishment is not enough.

https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/hull-woman-sentenced-for-taking-indecent-images-of-a-child

lawandcrime.com/crime/woman-who-left-cellphone-at-pub-arrested-for-child-pornography-after-giving-bartender-passcode-to-prove-it-was-hers/amp/

of course he has hidden himself away in a private mental health hospital 🙄

all the better for him when it came to sentencing

IDK but think the Forensic Neuro-psychiatrist and magistrate are likely no fools and have undoubtedly been round the block a few times with patients faking/exaggerating symptoms/ prolonging hospital admissions - the ones I've met have been pretty smart and suitably sceptical

he is received the most lenient of sentences because this is what money pays for the best defence team

It's almost as tho' you haven't read any of the previous 21 pages discussing the sentencing guidelines 🙄

It’s an utter disgrace that he is no longer considered a risk or danger to children

You need to read the risk assessment in the sentencing report

No one is acting like women don’t commit crimes like this.

This has already been covered in this thread! Read it.

I once worked closely with a desk bound police sergeant in a non public facing role. I assumed it was because he'd suffered an injury on duty. Turns out the Assistant Chief Constable put him on desk duties as a result of him claiming 'mental health' issues following the breakdown of his marriage were responsible for him being caught up skirting young girls.

A few years later he was jailed for 20 years for sexual abuse and rape, having pretty much imprisoned his victim since she was 9. I shall never forget that as long as I live. And I will never not be angry that people like him walk among us, unchallenged - indeed often aided and abetted by other men in very senior positions.

The HE situation makes my skin crawl for this reason.

That's disgusting.

What is almost as disgusting is that there was next to no press coverage and the ACC kept his job.

I worked as a probation officer for a long time, I don't any more.
So I can see why he got the sentence he did but likewise I don't believe the sentences in these cases matches the severity of the crime.

Rehabilitation is all well and good but we don't have the staff and resources to rehabilitate (never mind the question of whether it even works) and the punishment aspect has flown out the window. And I do believe that there has to be a punishment element to any sentence. It's important to acknowledge that someone has done "wrong" no matter how much mitigation there is.

I realised that for every one person I "might" have helped rehabilitate, there were 10 more waiting to take their place. That's the reality and it's a depressing one.

I got to the stage where I just didn't want to do it any more. Sit there with yet another man who'd beaten his partner, or sexually assaulted someone or harmed a child. To see them getting pitiful sentences and hear the same excuses over and over again. There's too many of them and the numbers grow by the day.

I don't know what we do about it. What we are doing isn't working.

I've read the sentencing report.

It would appear that he did not pay money to receive the images, in the sense of purchasing them, but sent money as a 'thank you' after being asked for some form of thanks.

He was initially sentenced to a 1 year custodial sentence which was reduced to 6 months due to the mitigating factors and time off for making a guilty plea at the first opportunity.

Regards castration and death, as the current law stands, that would be in breach of the Human Rights Act and probably not a good road to go down for our justice system. There would need to be a complete change of legislation for that to be permitted.

Previous pps have mentioned magistrates making this decision. Although referred to as the Chief Magistrate, it was a District Judge who sentenced Huw Edward's and not a 'volunteer'.

Thank you for your service. God knows I wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in that role.

I have read the sentencing said but no not the full 21 pages of this thread

he was possibly in danger if he went to prison (as all sex offenders are when their crimes are against children) this happens if his mh is considered that concerning he would be put in a secure hospital which are less threatening

he isn’t a risk to the public particularly children according to the judge yet not long ago received a number of pictures of children being raped

let’s not forget his phone has never been recovered how convenient and why is this

the experts reports are their judgements from working with him for a relatively short period of time not all experts will agree the defence will use those that support his claims

He is now on the sex offenders register, reports to police occasionally, reports his whereabouts and has to register bank accounts its minimal of you think this prevents re offending you are very much mistaken

I work with these men day in day out we hear it all the time they trot out the same excuses he has received a lenient sentence the conditions are minimal

these crimes have to be taken more seriously and money should absolutely not buy you leniency especially

he will just be smarter next time he has steady shown he is good at covering his tracks

*all ready shown

Another one saying thanks for your work.

No castration, no hanging them, I say bring back the stocks in the town centre so we can throw rotten food and mock these sick fuckers. Probably won't shame them into stopping, but the people affected by the crimes might get something from it.

But it happens on every single post where a man has committed a crime. Someone has to come on and point out that we can't be angry at men because men do it too.

But it never happens on a post about a woman who has committed a crime does it?

Even on the post about Gisele Pelicot being raped by 70 men, it was full of women wringing their hands and desperate to point out that women are just as bad.

We've got to stop minimising men's criminal activity by watering it down with "women do it too"

If your child was raped or assaulted by a man and you were angry, would it help someone saying "it's ok, women do it too"

Women do commit crimes however everytime I turn the news on lately, the assaults, the rapes and the murders are being committed by men.

Men really don't need you on their side, the world is designed for them

Women do commit crimes however everytime I turn the news on lately, the assaults, the rapes and the murders are being committed by men.

Exactly. Men murdering, men raping, men assaulting, men perpetuating wars.

The government could definitely make some prison space (8500+) by looking at prisoners who are there under Blunkets (scrapped) IPP rule.
IMO the sentencing laws are inadequate. CSA takes place for these images to exist. It should carry the same sentencing as the perpetrator in the photos (how often are they caught? How often are the children identified)
Sadly, at the moment, I feel those sentences can be woefully short too.
How do we get the government to overhaul the laws? I don't think becoming a magistrate is something many of us could do if we had the time. And magistrates don't make the law, they prescribe it.
If each woman on this thread sent a letter, saying the same thing, these laws are no longer fit for purpose, would the government listen?
If we march in our cities, will they listen then?
I feel so fucking angry with the whole inconsistency of sentencing.
In Scotland, a young MAN walked away from a jail sentence after he had raped a teenage girl.
The MAN who posed as a boy and blackmailed a young lassie into sending nudes has yet to be traced, despite the police having his name.
I'm really sick of NAMALT, that can stick itself up it's arse.

Can you help me out and put the numbers in context, please?

Relative or absolute numbers are fine. It would help me to understand your point.

Thank you.

Sadly as with many other things these days, the catchall phrase 'mental health' is uttered, which forestalls most negativity and criticism (and insults those with real mental health issues).

All while living on his nice large BBC pension and the large salary he was paid while suspended ....

My child was abused. Women on mumsnet railing on and on about how awful men are doesn't help either. My child that was abused is a man now, he really does need me on his side, the world really wasn't on 'designed for him' when he was abused and the police couldn't give a shit because his abuser was ND.

I wish I could be as black and white about it as you seem to be.

Who gives a shit that HE 'might be at risk of taking his own life?' I honestly couldn't care less if he topped himself and in fact he would be doing the world a favour.

Millions of people have a strict father (try growing up with a military Dad, Huw) and didn't get into Oxford. They've all somehow managed to not indulge in child sex abuse.

We get your fucking point.
You're not wrong.
You're just agenda-driven.

It's not about railing on about how awful men are, it's about that no man can commit a crime and have it spoken about without someone coming on saying "women are just as bad"

Why does this need to be said?

No one ever does on threads where a woman has committed a crime. No one ever comes on and says "oh its not all women"

Women get vilified on here and in the press for the crimes they commit. Men get excused and protected and their crimes minimised.

@YellowphantGrey the irony of these women anxious to defend men is how often a woman is murdered by their own son or partner

Women do do it too. The misconception that this never happens can be a dangerous one. However.

The percentage of women committing this type of crime is minuscule compared to the violent and sexual crime statistics pertaining to men. Men are the overwhelmingly majority offenders. The problem, whilst not exclusively men, is almost always men.

It's beyond sickening that on every thread - every thread, without exception - another little prairie dog will bob its head over the parapet to remind us that 'women do it too'.

So fucking what? This thread, the many threads created when yet another man has committed an abhorrent crime against women and children, is talking about yet another crime committed by yet another man. Want a thread about female offences and rates of offending? By all means start one. See how much traffic you get.

The overwhelming majority of victims of sexual assault are women. I am sick to the back teeth of having these experiences dismissed and minimised. It's bad enough when a society set up to serve men's ends constantly fails to view women as even human or believe us when we tell it we've been raped. The few of us who do get to court are then violated a second time by a legal system biased in favour of the male offenders. Now, on a support site geared at a women's demographic, with necessary and much-needed discussion of how men's criminal behaviour affects us, this is being minimised with constant reminders that a tiny number of women are also perpetrators, and that we're not giving enough consideration to the Mighty Penis.

I want @MNHQ to start coming down far, far harder on these tedious, offensive trolls. (And trolling is precisely what they're doing, in the old-fashioned definition of that term). The majority view on these threads is clear: the prairie dogs can fuck off back into their burrows. And take the bleats of NAMALT, Not My Nigel, and 'What About The Men' with you. (Incidentally, talking in slogans like this is very much a giveaway as to who and what you are).

This isn't an MRA site.