To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

I'll do it!

The Louis Theroux documentary on paedophiles was incredibly eye opening. Some opted to be castrated in the hope they wouldn’t be attracted to children. It is just who they’re sexually attracted to and they can’t be changed or rehabilitated. I have no idea what the societal solution to it is, short of locking them all up which we can’t afford as a country.

The suspended sentence sadly isn’t surprising. They’re happy to lock someone up for three years for an ‘offensive’ tweet but looking at child abuse is fine.

Agreed!

my point is that if poor mental health caused it, you’d expect women to be equally represented

Not sure that's true - mental health difficulties resulting from child abuse tend to present differently in men and women [generalisation]

Men = more acting out/more alcohol &substance misuse
Women = more self harm/more depression

There's also research which explores trigger factors for moving from a victim of abuse to a perpertrator of abuse eg bullying in school is a common factor

I could cry, I'm so angry.

I'm so tired of being on a site that is predominantly female, where the majority are parents where you see multiple posts about abusive men and it always been excused in one way or another

And a site where parents can't be be angry about a paedophile without other parents minimising the crime

It's exhausting

I know you haven't defended his actions you have defended his sentencing. I'm pretty sure upthread you mentioned your extensive experience in the criminal justice system including a PHd? The implication being that because you have all this training in the criminal justice system you must be right about the sentence being correct. What you are conveniently ignoring is that it isn't working. It's not stopping offending and it's not stopping re-offending. So your training has been wrong.

How are they classing women? Is it actual females or males identifying as females?

Unfortunately there is no science to it, but a lack of new charges or convictions would be one way to measure ‘success’ for want of a better term. In fact, it’s probably the only way to measure it, which I agree is far from perfect. It’s the same as all those doing it who are yet to be caught, and ironically those in prison - it’s really not feasible to monitor anyone’s behaviour 24/7.

If we're not even able to identify and discuss the problem of male violence and abuse how can society begin to look at ways to improve things? All this obfuscation and deflection about women as sex offenders etc is not helpful. What I really don't understand is the motivation of the NAMALT crew.

I'll never fail to understand why these types of sick crimes never get the punishment they deserve?! Yet a rioter gets 9 years in prison!! Unbelievable 😡

Yes.
I won't write stuff, it would get removed.

I’m also so shocked.

I can’t see the thread. What do you believe to be acceptable mitigating circumstances for abusing a child?

I have never mentioned a PhD as I don’t have one. I haven’t defended the sentence, but it is commensurate with the particular circumstances WHEN looked at other similar cases. You may think that my training is wrong, but as you aren’t the intended audience for my role and work it doesn’t matter.

It's worth looking at the full post by FPFW because it goes into the details but I included the part that indicates nobody knows for sure—and this is because of the way that Police Forces and the Prison Service collect data. However, FPFW has done some calculations that I've added below.

According to official MOJ figures, in 2019 there were 13359 people in prison convicted of sexual offences. 125 of these are recorded as female and another 76 are known to be males who identify as women. This means there are around 200 sex offenders in prison who either is a woman or self-identifies as woman. The ratio of women to transwomen in prison for sexual offences is around 3:2. In other words, there are two transwomen for every three women in prison convicted of sex offending. That’s 38% of the ‘women’ in prison for sex offending actually being transwomen.
If this same ratio applies to police reports of child sexual abuse it is reasonable to assume that up to 38% of the 2297 recorded as perpetrated by ‘females’ may also in fact be male’s who identify as women. That’s almost 900 males recorded as female. This would be enough to account for almost all of the reported increase since 2015.

UPDATE: BBC claims that in 2019 there were 66 females in prison for England and Wales convicted of sexual offences against a child. FOI data obtained by us confirms there were also at least 23 male-born trans prisoners in for sexual activity with a child (not counting child grooming or attempting to incite a girl aged 13-15 into penetrative sexual activity). More FOIs have been submitted today to get the total number. Based on what we already know its clear that for child sexual abuse there is at least 1 male-born transgender offender for every 3 female offenders. Any claims that the numbers are too low to impact crime statistics is demonstrably wrong.

That rioter had an extensive criminal record. Both sentences were handed down in accordance with the guidelines.

I was disgusted that he did not get a custodial sentence. I once saw an interview with a really brave woman who had been abused as child, images were made and shared of her abuse and she spoke about the life long effect of knowing that those pictures were more than likely still circulating somewhere and some creature was perving over them.

Thank you for that. I will read it later when I don't have a banging headache.

This.
When I turned 42, I started hating men, they repulsed me pretty much since teenage years
/I'm straight if it's relevant/.
So happy now that I don't have to get anyhow involved with any of them.

You seem to be (purposefully) misunderstanding what 'mitigating' means in the legal context.

Especially the case in France atm. That poor woman.

(Nrtft so apologies if this has been mentioned already)

But I'm so so angry. For our children and for women. And all because men can't control their sexual desires.

And his previous crimes were worse than being a paedophile? 🙄🙄🙄

I agree, you’re not alone. My therapist tries to tell me that as a society we don’t tolerate child abuse. I strongly disagree.

It was a hot minute before the NAMALTers, Not My Nigel and ‘women are just as bad’ crew descended on that thread too.

We know that it's in line with other sentencing. That's why we're so angry.