To be absolutely sick of excuses being made for men's disgusting sexual behaviour? Trigfer warning. Hugh Edwards sentencing.

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Just read that Hugh Edwards ahs been given a suspended sentence.

And if course it's not his fault. He had a mean Daddy and some mental health issues and some bad things going on in his life, poor lamb.

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

Having a rough time and a strict father doesn't make you a fucking paedophile!!!

Take responsibility for your predatory and vile behaviour!!

I agree his sentence is deplorable.

But all of you saying women never do it...

2,200 in 2019 convicted female paedophiles. Number has risen year on year.

There are 76 cities in the U.K.

That's about 30 per city.

Please don't be complacent when safeguarding children by assuming women are not paedophiles.

I'm probably going to have to leave this thread because it's just awful to see attempts at excusing abuse of children.

It's just so offensive to suggest if you've had an abusive or dysfunctional upbringing, you're less likely to know where those boundaries are.

Like I said I know a man who was sexually abused as a child. He would never do it another child. He despises those who do.

It's a horrible fact that lots of men and women are abused as children and do not become child abusers as adults. It's so offensive to them when child abuse is used by abusers or their apologists to "excuse" what they've done.

The same goes for mental health issues and substances issues. So many people sadly struggle with these problems (often as self medication after trauma) but are not paedophiles.

Obviously if a paedophile genuinely lacks mental capacity/has very serious mental health issues, then yes prison might not be appropriate - but a secure hospital would be.

Smug, adjective. Having or showing an excessive pride in oneself or one's achievements. Is it an insult to describe someone as they are? Your posts are defending something that the vast number of people on here - 96% find indefensible. Given that the criminal justice system is clearly not tackling the problem of child sexual abuse in any way, shape or form I find it hard to understand why you think coming here to defend it shouldn't be subject to some fairly pithy comments. Also, this is AIBU. Clearly you are not familiar with the format. Feel free to report my comments if you feel they break community guidelines.

Yes, I said “almost none”

CSA is an overwhelmingly male crime

my point is that if poor mental health caused it, you’d expect women to be equally represented

I want to March the streets. I want to do something. I want to protect out children.
What can we do??

Stop introducing them to paedophiles by allowing them to have unrestricted access to the internet, unsupervised, from an early age. Many parents are negligent when it comes to children’s internet use. It’s easy to look outwards. Not so easy to honestly self-reflect.

It's not just female pardophiles

It's the female enablers too...sickening that they assist men.

No one has said women never do it. The posts you have referred to say 'almost' thus acknowledging 'some'. The stats of female sex offenders compared to male sex offenders are minuscule. No one however has said women never do it.

Wish people would read posts properly before rushing to scream ‘women do it tooooooo’.

I came on not to say his sentence is reasonable, but to address people saying there could never be mitigating factors in this kind of case.

This twitter thread explains it all better than I can.

https://x.com/threadreaderapp/status/1835694441840951542

I often wondered this (especially after working in probation services with a lots of offenders on license) - how come there are not more incidences of retribution/revenge??

Because little boys (and girls of course) grow up and are bigger and stronger than their abuser... So why don't they hunt them down??

@AccidentallyWesAnderson there are at least 2, one of which states absolutely zero women, which as I have said, is extremely dangerous to think.

You've mentioned this several times and not explained why? This may happen again occasionally but it is not an endemic - or even common - problem. Do you think it's some kind of gotcha because men commit 99% of sex crimes? Because it really isn't.

There are lots of historical convictions...rather than hunt them down and do what?

Prison in your 60's/70's and beyond rather than a comfy retirement. Just when they thought they had got away with it

It's worth considering if anyone feels they could

Here we go

Oh women do it too

Yes they do

But nowhere near as much

They both say 'almost'!

What do you think saying women do it to brings to the discussion and why do you feel it needs saying?

The thing is, I haven’t listed any of my achievements at any point. I mean, if you really want my CV I will happily send it over to you. Also, did you really find it necessary to provide a dictionary explanation to explain your post? I haven’t, not once, defended any sex offender let alone Huw Edwards. Finally, it really wasn’t necessary to point out that I am on AIBU. I can read. Why would I need to report any of your comments? Others on the thread have called me far worse, yet I don’t feel the need to report them as we are all adults here.

Is it though? Really? How effectively?
I saw Dino Nocivelli (a partner in the Abuse Dept at Leigh Day solicitors) providing analysis on the BBC earlier today, while the Westminster Chief Magistrate was taking sentencing advice, and even he said that these offenders' activities can't be monitored 24/7 in the community, and he has a wealth of experience in providing legal support to victims of abuse.

No one has said women don't do it?

However why can't a thread about yet another man committing acts of paedophilia that he has been found guilty not just be allowed to run without people having to mention that women do it too?

It's like men's crimes have to be minimised all the time

It’s been said multiple times on this thread, echoed by many other posters. I know it’s fashionable to pile on me right now, but out of interest, why don’t you ask some of the others?

All that made him say 'amazing' when sent photos of children as young as 7 being molested.

I didn't know this. That is so shocking.

I feel sick.

We need a female Batman who visits these bastards with 2 bricks, if you catch my drift.

I don't think PPs claimed "never".

It's always wise not to overlook the safeguarding of children and vulnerable people.

Potentially interesting follow-up on the figures you cite.

New figures obtained by the BBC programme ‘File on Four’ under Freedom of Information laws over the same time period say there were 2297 reports of child sexual abuse in which the perpetrator was recorded as female; representing just 3% of all CSA reports.

However, the BBC also makes the dramatic claim that the number of reported cases of child sexual abuse perpetrated by women has doubled in recent years:
“Between 2015 and 2019, the numbers of reported cases of female-perpetrated child sexual abuse to police in England and Wales rose from 1,249 to 2,297 – an increase of 84%.”
Are more women really sexually abusing children?
The answer is we simply don’t know. It’s impossible to make this claim from the data available.
For starters, we don’t know if there has been a general increase in reporting of CSA or if this is an increase specific to female-perpetrated CSA only. Either way however, the ONS notes in its Crime Survey dataset (Table 32) that “police recorded crime data are not designated as National Statistics” and “comparisons should not be made between years.

Also, a 84% increase may sound high but the real-term increase in the reported figure for female-perpetrated CSA is small in number. If the total number of reported CSA has remained constant over the last few years then the observed increase from 1249 to 2297 reports of female-perpetrated CSA represents a shift from around 1.5% to 3% of all CSA committed by females. This small change is unlikely to be statistically significant.
Most significantly of all, we also know that the ‘sex’ disaggregated data held by the police doesn’t actually record what most people think it does. Police forces now record crimes based on self-declared gender and not birth sex. In 2019 Fair Play For Women submitted a series of Freedom of Information requests to find out how the police record the sex of a suspect when a crime is reported.
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https://fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/

"There would be no purpose in sending him to prison." What about the message that this sends to victims of abuse? Do you think they feel they've received justice when a suspended sentence is handed down?

And* *can people also stop the victim blaming re DV please.
This below:

I want the women of Mumsnet to stop letting men treat them as doormats, to see that controlling finances, not sharing finances, changing for men, putting up with their criticism, needing to ask if they are being unfair about their husband's when they should know you should never have to ask if this behaviour is OK! Are people really that lonely and insecure that they cannot stand on their own two feet and would rather just put up with the abuse of men??

I know several women who've experienced DV. They're not "too insecure to stand on their own two feet". The issue is lack of support to leave - financial, housing, etc. If people genuinely care about reducing DV, we need more social housing and a supportive benefits system.

Guess what happens to many women who leave DV? They become homeless and are put in substandard temporary accommodation - often in the same blocks as ex prisoners (possibly including other people's abusers) and people with substance issues.

Of course people with substance issues and ex prisoners - thosewho aren't a danger to the public should get housing help (if a danger, they should be in prison or secure hospital). But not together with vulnerable DV victims.

I can't believe this thread. People victim blaming DV victims, and people downplaying child sex abuse (and being offensive to victims of CSA)!

Happens all the time around here, but the families who hunt them down for revenge get worse sentences than the actual nonces.

Also I wonder how many of the sex crimes recorded as being done by women were actually carried out by male women? I don’t know if “Amy George”’s crimes are recorded as being by a woman or a man?

we know that at least 400 rapes have been recorded as being done by “women” when it can only be carried out at by a penis.

another reason for accurately recorded the sex of criminals, not pandering to their gender identity’s