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To ask which country you would not visit again and why?

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travelcat · 15/09/2024 19:58

I love hearing about travel experiences and am interested in knowing about places you have visited that you wouldn't go back to.

AIBU to ask which country you'd avoid in the future and what specifically made your experience less enjoyable? Was it due to culture, safety, or something else?

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Flatandhappy · 16/09/2024 01:20

Senegal
Tonga
England

JanglingJack · 16/09/2024 01:21

suburberphobe · 15/09/2024 20:33

South Africa. Overt racism, plus felt very unsafe.

Really?

I travelled solo twice in South Africa just taking trains and buses and hanging out with locals. Yes even in Soweto. Never had a problem.

Looking back at the news of the recent riots in England I'd say overt racism is rife there too. Always has been. 50 years since Stephen Lawrence's racist murder.

I'm not 50 yet and I remember
Stephen Lawrence being murdered, the scumbags, the mistrials and the racism within the police force.

Not much has changed, but don't do his Mum a disservice by saying it's been 50 years.

Katielovesteatime · 16/09/2024 01:23

I’ve never found a whole country I disliked. I don’t usually visit just one spot in a country - I travel around, so I can get a real feel for a place. The only place I’ve really disliked was Delhi. I found it extremely challenging in that I was lied to constantly by everyone - taxi drivers pretending places I wanted to go had closed down and trying to take my to their friends businesses instead, and similar. I also found the city extremely visually unappealing and boring. However, I adore other places in India - I think Kerala is one of my favourite ever places! I didn’t really like Milan, but didn’t hate it like Delhi. It was fine, but I just found it dull, although Italy as a country is, I think, my favorite country of all! You can’t judge a whole country! Especially if you only visit the touristy areas where you can’t get much of a feel for the place.

Harry12345 · 16/09/2024 01:25

spirit1 · 16/09/2024 01:18

Worst places for sexual harassment - by far - were Tunisia and Egypt. Both absolutely insane, even though I was with my (now) husband who can communicate. Had a hotel owner push me in a room when I was trying to check out, groping me and asking to marry me. Told the police in the street. The policeman also tried to grope me the second DH's back was turned. The police are worse than the public. Things got quite dangerous in the desert because the guide was threatening to kidnap me. I'm not even blonde. In Egypt they were following us around, hiding behind pillars, asking for photos incessantly. To this day, I can't think what they would want with photos. Also no shame at all about trying to rip you off at any opportunity.

Another place I wouldn't go back to is the Pakistan / Afghan border. Men don't actually come up to hassle you there so much - but they just stare silently. It's quite threatening. And they tell you to buy 2 seats on the bus and to sit the back. I was 22 then and travelling with another female. It was just too much - spyholes in hotel room walls. Roof came off the shower and men were looking in at me. Told we could only get in the plane out of Peshawar if we went in a date with the men in the PIA desk ( the weather into the mountains there had been bad and there was a backlog of people waiting to fly). When we got to the village there were no women visible anywhere. They never left the houses. We had to pretend we were married to two men who were French and about 40 and looking for the Yeti. This went on for 3 weeks.

The north of China I would not go back. Freezing and filthy air and just grey grey grey industry everywhere. Everybody smoking on the train. Minus 15 degrees.

We can't go to Iran as they probably wouldn't let DH out again and we don't want to go anyway because they were political asylum seekers decades ago and will never return sadly.

The Cape Verde Islsnds, The island we were on was practically empty. Nothing there at all except a few hotels,

Everywhere else has been good in balance.

Jesus Christ

Bunny44 · 16/09/2024 01:36

I was interested in this thread since I love travelling and have visited around 50 countries. I've found it a bit depressing and unhelpful as I think people are taking one off experiences and applying sweeping statements to a whole country. Personally I've travelled back to some places many times and sometimes had a very different experience one time to the next in exactly the same places. Also tourist hot spots are not a good way to judge a country. I.e. if you've only been to Marrakesh, you don't know Morocco. Also even England where I live! I hate England in January but love it in June! Don't love Swindon either but hopefully no one judges us based on Swindon, or Leicester Square for that matter.

There's also a lot of talk about harassment. One thing I do like to do is try my best to blend in. Especially if it's further afield I check what are the cultural norms and try my best to dress in a way that doesn't make me look like a complete tourist with a placard above my head as it attracts unwanted attention. I've even been to some areas where you want to keep a low profile as a tourist due to kidnappings.

Now there is no circumstances where harassment of any kind is justifiable but I'm just saying I found that blending in as much as poss gives me a more positive experience and makes me feel safer.

That said I do have a bit of a black list of places I don't want to visit because I just think they sound awful as a whole and there are moral issues and outright risks. I.e. Dubai as many have mentioned. I'll prob end up going one day for work, but the materialistic culture and treatment of migrant workers/slaves is appalling. Also Saudi Arabia. I've been to Russia but wouldn't go back now due to the war.

Trying to think of countries I've visited where I wouldn't go back at all and despite some negative experiences here and there I can't think of any. Possibly Belgium for being a bit boring 🤷🏻‍♀️

JohnTheRevelator · 16/09/2024 01:59

greencheetah · 15/09/2024 20:24

Osaka, Japan. Sexually assaulted by local man. Police didn’t give a shit.

Felt dreadfully unsafe the whole time, being perved at by men. The misogyny in Japan is like nothing I had ever experienced before, despite being well travelled.

Never ever going back.

I was quite shocked to hear this as I've heard multiple times about what a safe country it is.

Howdiditgetsobad · 16/09/2024 02:07

Crikeyalmighty · 15/09/2024 23:32

@SailingOnAWave plenty of toilets maybe ? I hate Switzerland - dull and expensive and rude as hell.

Have to Totally disagree about Greece or Stockholm- and I know both really well- swedes aren't arselickers though - maybe you like that kind of service - I wouldn't say it's rudeness more matter of fact ness- Dutch very blunt too -

Maybe it's you !

I loved Netherlands - I found most people to be direct but not unfriendly at all. Quite the opposite! We took a recent trip to a rural location south of Amsterdam and loved it.

Dubai is somewhere Dh and I won’t go for all the reasons given on this thread.

I absolutely wouldn’t return to Israel. For many reason. I experienced terrible harassment there and had some very scary experiences in Jerusalem.

I wouldn’t rush back to Mexico, Morocco or Thailand.

StoneofDestiny · 16/09/2024 02:15

Israel and Russia - would not support their economy with my tourist money
India - gross poverty and lack of hygiene - never again
Dubai - nothing to inspire there
Southern States of America - unhealthy mix of Bible bashing and guns - bonkers

JohnTheRevelator · 16/09/2024 02:16

Candyiris · 15/09/2024 22:19

I always used to say this while watching any of Michael Palin's travel series. I used to shout at the television "try doing that as a woman!" All of the warm and friendly welcoming men (women firmly in the background) in developing countries. It's a different planet for women.

Yes! Exactly the same thought had crossed my mind.

JohnTheRevelator · 16/09/2024 02:26

oakleaffy · 15/09/2024 21:18

Animal abuse can really ruin a holiday - DS went to Gili and said the poor ponies being abused was really awful. {No motor vehicles allowed there}

Ponies and horses made to haul building materials in fierce heat, not enough shade or water, lashed like something out of 'Black Beauty'

Ill fitting tack and harness.

Overworked so they die at their work.

Their shoes are worn thin from hard work, and are found cast on the side of the roads - he brought a couple back to show me.

No farriery as we know it here.

OMG that sounds truly awful. Makes me feel quite sick.

LifeExperience · 16/09/2024 02:32

Will never return to Africa or any majority Muslim country. Not pleasant, not safe.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 16/09/2024 02:52

NonsuchCastle · 15/09/2024 23:59

You think NYC has "lost something" but you've never been there? Come on, now.

Yes that was a weird one! I think you need to have been there to understand that the buildings are so high and so dense, if you're in Manhattan you're not really seeing much of the iconic skyscrapers anyway.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 16/09/2024 02:57

honeyrider · 16/09/2024 00:52

I'll be booking flights to Australia in the next couple of days and was planning on stopping in Dubai for one night to break up the journey, now I'm rethinking route if it's as bad as mentioned here.

Singapore is wonderful. I'd ignore the pp who said the people are rude - that's absolutely not the case and shows a lack of understanding of how other cultures display courtesy.

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 16/09/2024 03:00

PetrichorSoul · 15/09/2024 20:21

Wales.

Got screamed at on a beach because their dog wanted our lunch. We weren’t near the dog, they just couldn’t control it. So they screamed at us for having food and daring to eat it.

Same holiday, got served “home made” soup multiple times in multiple establishments that was clearly from a packet. Complete with shrivelled dehydrated peas.

Awful holiday.

Presumably you were in North Wales Petrichor?

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Jumpingthruhoops · 16/09/2024 03:08

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 15/09/2024 20:14

Tunisia, felt unsafe out and about as a woman, even with my husband and brothers with me. Lots of shouting and touching from men in the markets. Just gross.

Parts of San Francisco felt really unsafe due to big drug problems there. Lots of men off their faces again shouting and not allowing personal space. I know plenty of people love it there, and it was only a specific part of town that felt like that, but it was scary.

Also parts of India, just because it’s a bit depressing being confronted with beggars in the street when you’re on holiday trying to enjoy yourself. Yes, it’s horribly sad, but I don’t pay thousands of pounds to get away from home and experience a different culture to feel guilty and depressed every time I leave the hotel. I’m there putting money into the local economy on trips, in shops and restaurants etc not to be fleeced every time we stop at traffic lights. Obviously I should have chosen a different location, I get that part of the real India is the deprivation, but it doesn’t make me want to spend my holiday there again.

Ditto San Francisco for all the reasons you cite. Have never felt so unsafe and couldn't wait to leave. Wouldn't go back for a million quid!

GreenTeaLikesMe · 16/09/2024 03:15

I have sadly written off China as a destination - the political situation there and creepy authoritarian government is gradually sending the country off in the whole North Korea direction. Loved traveling there in the 2000s though. The country seemed to be opening up and moving in the right direction, and I met so many nice people.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 16/09/2024 03:17

The Middle East and North Africa really needs to do something about their large numbers of unpleasant young men with horrible attitudes. Even if the governments don’t care about the local women who are forced to live with these men and their violent, sexist behavior, the economic reality is that it massively puts off tourists and these are countries which have the potential to attract so, so many more travelers. Delicious food, wonderful sites and history. Horrible young men (or at least, a lot of them are horrible).

HumphreyCushionintheHouse · 16/09/2024 03:31

England. I was born there, and have been back numerous times to numerous places, but you couldn’t pay me to visit again.

WinnyMoms · 16/09/2024 03:42

Dubai
Hong Kong
Anywhere on the African continent
Yugoslavia
Any of the Southern US states (Virginia, West Virginia, Georgia, Texas, etc)

FictionalCharacter · 16/09/2024 03:53

Turkey for the same reasons as PPs.
Isn't it appalling that so many of us have been subjected to leering and groping, and sometimes worse, by sleazy men in these countries.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 16/09/2024 04:12

WinnyMoms · 16/09/2024 03:42

Dubai
Hong Kong
Anywhere on the African continent
Yugoslavia
Any of the Southern US states (Virginia, West Virginia, Georgia, Texas, etc)

Yugoslavia hasn't existed since 1992.

It's now seven different countries

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Katielovesteatime · 16/09/2024 04:26

GreenTeaLikesMe · 16/09/2024 03:15

I have sadly written off China as a destination - the political situation there and creepy authoritarian government is gradually sending the country off in the whole North Korea direction. Loved traveling there in the 2000s though. The country seemed to be opening up and moving in the right direction, and I met so many nice people.

This is so funny to read as someone who spends 3/4 of the year in China! I’ve never found anywhere more lovely, safe, and welcoming, with friendly, helpful, warm and happy people. Don’t believe everything you read in the media about China. Its absolutely nothing like North Korea, absolutely can’t be compared at all. Since being here I’ve realized how truly biased western media is and what a one-sided perspective of everything you get.

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 16/09/2024 04:28

Sadly, Austria. It's a very beautiful country which I visited with my parents when I was 13. It was in the springtime and we stayed in the gorgeous little town, St Anton. One day we took a cable car half way up a mountain to an open air swimming pool, it was devine. The whole holiday was just brilliant.

I went back to Austria 20 years later, in a February - for my first, and last skiing holiday - with my nearly new husband (married for about 6 months by then and no I didn't buy him from the nearly new stall in the market!). We stayed in Bad Hofganstein in a hotel that had an open log fire, except they didn't light it for the whole of our stay. We had paid extra for a room with a balcony as I didn't want to ski as much as my husband did, who was a skier from before I met him - I had had some enjoyable lessons on a dry ski slope in England where I even managed to "juggle" my mittens during one of those lessons - so I had been looking forward to wrapping up well, and sitting on the balcony with a good book, and a steaming hot drink, while my husband skied the more difficult slopes.

The hotel management put us in a ground floor room, which obviously didn't have a balcony or any outdoor space. When we pointed this out to the hotel management they just said that they had let the rooms with balconies out to some German tourists who it turned out had booked after we had, and they hadn't even arrived by the time we got there. It was already quite late, so we couldn't speak to our rep until the next day as they weren't staying in our hotel. Nearly every local person that we met throughout our stay in B.H. seemed arrogant, and acted like they were looking down on us because we were English, and noticeably not very wealthy.

I also suffered quite badly from altitude sickness from when I had gone up one of the taller mountains to watch my DH ski down it. By the next day my whole face had swollen up like a balloon and I felt quite sick, so I had to see a local doctor, accompanied by my rep - as I didn't speak German - my altitude sickness seemed to turn quite flu like, so I couldn't even get up for about 3 days. There was supposed to be an evening sleigh ride, pulled by horses, that we booked when booking the whole holiday, but the organisers cancelled it because we were the only ones who had booked to go on it, so it wasn't worth it for them.

On top of all of that, the ski instructor who was supposed to speak English, could only say "No" and "Stop" in English, so I gave up trying to ski quite quickly (probably too quickly, but with everything else I wasn't feeling too great by then - I did not used to be a quitter in those days, so I was also disappointed with myself!)

I doubt that I am being fair in judging the who of Austria for my very disappointing late honeymoon in Bad Hofganstein, but it was the attitude of the people there that has put me off Austria for good. Oh, and even though we complained about the worst of our issues at the hotel to our rep while we were there, and to the travel company when we got back, we never got any compensation for any of our trip. By the way that was the only holiday that I have ever felt completely ripped off and disappointed by, and we are another 30 years after that now...

Sorry @travelcat, but you did ask for the reason 🙈

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