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to believe Lady Starmer should pay for her own clothes and personal stylists?

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LargeDeviation · 15/09/2024 11:11

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-faces-investigation-over-possible-breach-of-parliamentary-rules-after-labour-donor-pays-for-wifes-clothes-13215216

And Keir Starmer should have paid himself for his 'several pairs of glasses' and £19K worth of work clothes? On top of that there was £20K for accommodation for Sir Keir and another 'similar sum' on 'private office' costs.

Purely by coincidence, it seems the donor was given a Downing Street security pass allowing easy access to the corridors of power without any role in government.

And yes, Carrie and Boris Johnson should have paid for their wallpaper and hampers too, that is just as sleazy.

Sir Keir Starmer faces investigation over possible breach of parliamentary rules after Labour donor 'pays for wife's clothes'

A Labour peer paid for a personal shopper, clothes and alterations for Lady Starmer, both before and after the Labour leader became prime minister in July, according to The Sunday Times. But Labour said they have contacted authorities over the matter.

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-faces-investigation-over-possible-breach-of-parliamentary-rules-after-labour-donor-pays-for-wifes-clothes-13215216

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Creamcarpetandwhitewalls · 15/09/2024 12:05

For me, the saddest thing is that he stood there and told the country we’d be poorer and that pain was coming in an austerity budget.

There was no hopeful message for children who live in poverty, or anyone else. It was just that we all had to feel pain now, in order to fill the big black hole, which enables him to spend more abroad and on climate change.

And all while his wife was gaining a wardrobe worth tens of thousands of pounds. It’s absolutely sickening.

I agree with a pp that all politicians are the same. In it for only themselves. This government will not do any better than the last. They are frauds.

Creamcarpetandwhitewalls · 15/09/2024 12:07

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 15/09/2024 11:42

I have to disagree... I know a couple of people who are very close to me, who have youtube channels and they have 10s of 1000s of fans/subscribers. Actually 70,000 to 80,000 subscribers. And they are able to send them gifts.

The one has got a 'Throne Wishlist' and has had something like £5000 worth of gifts sent to them just this last couple of months ... If people are donating things and giving things, and it's not affecting anyone else. I don't see a problem with it.

Starmer's wife has had this given by a donator. Can't see the problem.

But the YouTubers aren’t picking the pockets of the elderly. They aren’t raising taxes and making people poorer.

AlisonDonut · 15/09/2024 12:08

LargeDeviation · 15/09/2024 11:21

@Rummly Is the security pass for the donor (without any rational reason) a 'nothing story' too?

Of course, how else is the boss going to get into his office?

Mountainpika · 15/09/2024 12:09

MrsKwazi · 15/09/2024 11:12

All politicians are exactly the same.

A sweeping statement and certainly not true. We have one, LibDem, who is totally honest and hardworking for his constituents. And yes, I have met him in person.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 15/09/2024 12:12

Creamcarpetandwhitewalls · 15/09/2024 12:07

But the YouTubers aren’t picking the pockets of the elderly. They aren’t raising taxes and making people poorer.

But Lady Starmer is having her clothes bought by a private donator is she not? How is that 'picking the pockets of the elderly?'

And even if it was coming out of the public purse, it's not just the elderly suffering. EVERY age group has been hit by austerity cuts. I'm a bit fed up of some people not caring about anyone else except the 'elderly' when they are the richest of all the age groups! Hmm

Errors · 15/09/2024 12:12

Yep, they reckon they are going to fix the state of the country and the fact that people can’t afford to live anymore and/or are too ill to work but how can he possibly understand life from those people’s perspectives when he can expense anything he wants?? They already draw a huge salary. Wankers.

PixieMcGraw · 15/09/2024 12:13

In the last five years, Starmer has accepted £76,000 of freebies including clothes, glasses, sport tickets etc. It has all been declared afaik but it definitely leaves a bad taste. In my last job in the public sector I wasn't allowed to take anything other than token gifts (pens, diary etc).
He's very well paid. It's a terrible look. Especially when we are all being told to expect more pain.

Rummly · 15/09/2024 12:14

DeclineandFall · 15/09/2024 12:04

The optics are awful because it feeds the idea that politicians are all the same. One just corrupt as the other. Which isn't true. Some are much much much more corrupt. I don't think Keir Starmer isn't one of them and I don't vote Labour because our Labour council is corrupt as fuck.

I always think local politics is a good place to look for any wide trends in political outlook and action. There are and have been for many, many decades plenty of Labour, Tory, Lib and no-overall-control councils. There’s plenty of material to show who’s more honest, incorruptible and decent.

I have never seen anything that generally suggests that any party in local government is more ethically attractive than any other.

foodforclouds · 15/09/2024 12:14

ExpressCheckout · 15/09/2024 11:22

Agree that this is a nothing story.

What's more of a story is the way this 'Labour' government is, according to reputable media outlets, ready to rob people who live alone (single people, divorcees, victims of domestic violence, widows, etc.) of the 25% council tax reduction they currently receive for making less use of public services.

Wtf? Is this happening?

Creamcarpetandwhitewalls · 15/09/2024 12:15

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 15/09/2024 12:12

But Lady Starmer is having her clothes bought by a private donator is she not? How is that 'picking the pockets of the elderly?'

And even if it was coming out of the public purse, it's not just the elderly suffering. EVERY age group has been hit by austerity cuts. I'm a bit fed up of some people not caring about anyone else except the 'elderly' when they are the richest of all the age groups! Hmm

It doesn’t look very good to be telling Joe Public that they have to tighten their belts and be poor, whilst flouncing around in nearly hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of gifts. I find it abhorrent, if you don’t that’s up to you, but clearly it’s not just me who thinks it’s all a massive piss take.

PandoraSox · 15/09/2024 12:17

Can't disagree. It is a really stupid fuck up that didn't need to happen.

Proudtobeanortherner · 15/09/2024 12:19

they told us that they’d be different, honourable and with moral scruples 🤣🤣🤣 As many predicted, the only difference is the colour of their flag. I don’t actually enjoy being able to say “I told you so” but so far I’m not seeing anything good from the colour change 😢

Lizzie67384 · 15/09/2024 12:20

Rummly · 15/09/2024 11:19

I’m no fan of Labour. But this is a nothing story. Accepting the gift is a nothing story and the later declaration of it is a nothing story.

There are genuinely serious criticisms to make of this dishonest, hypocritical government. But the money for Victoria Starmer’s dresses isn’t one of them.

Why isn’t it?

PandoraSox · 15/09/2024 12:20

foodforclouds · 15/09/2024 12:14

Wtf? Is this happening?

No it isn't. There has been no indication this is going to happen. Westminster doesn't even have the power to abolish the 25% Council Tax discount across the whole of the UK.

@Expresscheckout is repeating a baseless rumour. Perhaps they could provide a link to these "reputable media outlets"?

Haveanaiceday · 15/09/2024 12:21

I think she should pay for her clothes however I kind of feel for his wife as she has been thrust into the public eye and that may or may not be a role she welcomes or is used to. So I wouldn't begrudge a few sessions with a stylist to give her some advice on looking good in the international spotlight within her own budget.

Soontobe60 · 15/09/2024 12:23

Rummly · 15/09/2024 11:19

I’m no fan of Labour. But this is a nothing story. Accepting the gift is a nothing story and the later declaration of it is a nothing story.

There are genuinely serious criticisms to make of this dishonest, hypocritical government. But the money for Victoria Starmer’s dresses isn’t one of them.

Is there a reason why they are unable to buy their own clothes and glasses??

Deliiciousllydifffident · 15/09/2024 12:24

I feel completely let down by Labour. I thought, wrongly, that they were the party who looks after the sick, vulnerable, disabled and the elderly. It’s sickening to see what they are up to.

Rummly · 15/09/2024 12:25

Lizzie67384 · 15/09/2024 12:20

Why isn’t it?

Because funders can give money to politicians for various uses. Clothes and specs don’t seem to be outside the rules. It needs to be declared, and Labour apparently misunderstood the declaration about the PM’s wife (rather than about him as an elected MP and PM). But that doesn’t look to be any great scandal.

As I’ve said upthread, I do agree that the pass for the donor, Lord Alli, is dubious. But the fact of the donation isn’t, IMO.

BecauseRonald · 15/09/2024 12:25

For me, the saddest thing is that he stood there and told the country we’d be poorer and that pain was coming in an austerity budget.

There was no hopeful message for children who live in poverty, or anyone else. It was just that we all had to feel pain now

This. The gifts and passes might have been within the rules but it's not a good look.

Corruption is open and rampant in UK politics as there are no consequences for politicians.

TeamPolin · 15/09/2024 12:26

Her day job is working in the NHS. If she needs outfits for state events she's attending in. her capacity as 'first lady' then I'm OK with that, tbh. I'm sure Sam Cam etc have done the same in the past.

StaunchMomma · 15/09/2024 12:26

It's absolutely fine to be irked by this UNLESS you defended the Boris £840 a roll wallpaper/ £200k of taxpayer cash to his rennovations debacle - then you need to have a word with yourself.

Many just enjoy Keir bashing, in truth.

ChampagneLassie · 15/09/2024 12:27

Rummly · 15/09/2024 11:19

I’m no fan of Labour. But this is a nothing story. Accepting the gift is a nothing story and the later declaration of it is a nothing story.

There are genuinely serious criticisms to make of this dishonest, hypocritical government. But the money for Victoria Starmer’s dresses isn’t one of them.

Came to say this

BIossomtoes · 15/09/2024 12:28

PixieMcGraw · 15/09/2024 12:13

In the last five years, Starmer has accepted £76,000 of freebies including clothes, glasses, sport tickets etc. It has all been declared afaik but it definitely leaves a bad taste. In my last job in the public sector I wasn't allowed to take anything other than token gifts (pens, diary etc).
He's very well paid. It's a terrible look. Especially when we are all being told to expect more pain.

I completely agree. The optics are shocking and I’m bloody furious that they’ve made such a rookie error. They’re relatively wealthy, they really don’t need other people to pay for their clothes. As a staunch Labour voter, I’m astonished anyone is defending this.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/09/2024 12:28

TeamPolin · 15/09/2024 12:26

Her day job is working in the NHS. If she needs outfits for state events she's attending in. her capacity as 'first lady' then I'm OK with that, tbh. I'm sure Sam Cam etc have done the same in the past.

Of course she should have outfits for official events.

Not sponsored by private donors though.

Also, whams the fact that she works for the NHS has to do with anything? Does that make her more worthy or anything?

Rummly · 15/09/2024 12:30

StaunchMomma · 15/09/2024 12:26

It's absolutely fine to be irked by this UNLESS you defended the Boris £840 a roll wallpaper/ £200k of taxpayer cash to his rennovations debacle - then you need to have a word with yourself.

Many just enjoy Keir bashing, in truth.

Yes, but again, attacking Johnson over wallpaper and defending Starmer over clothes and glasses is very unpleasant coming from a party and its supporters that parade their humanitarian and ethical ‘principles’.