Grooming gang jailed for a combined 106 years

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyly0rdyz0o

Glad to see justice finally. These crimes go back to 2003-2008. But what protections are in place now to prevent the same abuse? The victims here were in the care system and so badly let down. Where were the adults who were responsible for these children some as young as 11?

Some of these will be out late this year/early next year and they were only sentenced last year.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/faces-behind-biggest-ever-child-26638671

This was going on in my home town in the early noughties when I was a child sexual exploitation detective. We used to serve the males with abduction notices and subsequently arrest them if they continued having contact with the child. It’s a really useful piece of legislation. It’s extremely difficult to deal with because the children don’t see themselves as victims are usually very uncooperative.

I cannot believe the amount of women there are in that gang.

Why are some of these disgusting creeps being released this year? Is it because they've served their sentence or early release.

I'm from Rotherham, now live in Barnsley.

This is still ongoing. There are areas in Rotherham that the police won't touch.

SYP, the fucking useless Labour council and Social Services will allow this to continue as opposed to upsetting the supposed 'cohesion'.

There are people on this thread who clearly haven't read the Jay Report. You should, it's enlightening.

The sentences are not enough. 6 years ... for God's sake!!!
They should be under licence forever a d their bollocks chopped off prior to release.
They will be fully itegrated back into their Pakistani community when released, as if nothing happened.

@Tattletwat, I have lived in Rotherham over 40 years, and there is no way in hell I would go into the town centre now.
There is such an air of menace, I just don't feel safe.

Some only got 2-3 years.

7/21 so a third.

Ask Anne Cryer about this. The MP for Keighley. She tried to bring issues to public attention and was branded a rascist. She even received death threats.

So yes people were absolutely terrified of a accusations of racism, to pretend they weren't is disingenuous and helps this kind of thing happen all over again.

It reminds me of the trans issue, any genuine concerns are met with screams of transphobia. Any criticism of members of the Muslim community is now met with screams of Islamaphobia.

So, what are their 'communities' doing to ensure they aren't repeating the behaviour?
It's in their interests, surely.
The racists will feel justified in their
'opinions' unless they deal very robustly. It's not good for the law abiding to be tarred with the same brush.

Don't accuse me of being disingenuous. There are many excuses for the fact that no one did anything, one of them was fears of being called racist. Another was that these girls were seen as an underclass and were accused of being prostitutes or having chosen the lifestyle, as I've already pointed out in the thread.

I do agree however, that certain sectors of society make spurious claims in order to close down discussion.

I've written about this before-i come from york (I don't live there anymore)

My ds works at the hospital and one night he rang me

'Mum do you know xx?'

'No,but I know a xy'

'Same kid'

Long story short,my cousins dd (then aged about 13 and in care due to her mother dying-shes been well known to ss since birth) had been beaten up so badly,she was almost dead

Her 'boyfriend' (aged 34/5) had been 'allowing' her to sleep around with his 'permission' and one night she'd dared to say she didn't want to sleep (be raped,but she didn't see it like that) with a guy in his 60's and the 'boyfriend' battered her-she almost died

Ds managed to kick this bloke out as he was refusing to leave her side and rang the police while I was on the phone to her social worker and care home manager

All we got was 'oh her?she's made her choices' 'well,what do you want us to do?she's made her lifestyle choices-we can't stop her' and 'she'll just vote with her feet'

This child had just lost her mother,was in a care home and had nobody to help-the ones who should have helped,in fact,where paid to help her as that is their job,didn't want to know

She recovered and walked out arm in arm with him,ready to be raped again and again for a few vodka shots and a packet of cigarettes

He lost interest in her once she got to 15/16 and is trying to rebuild her life but its destroyed

This was only about 2/3 years ago-nothing has,or will change-its 'only women and girls' who suffer

Makes me so angry-honest to god,nothing will change anytime soon

I think to fully understand this issue, people need to understand what sort of place Rotherham, and others like it, are. I grew up around the corner, on a rough estate from a large Pakistani community. There were constant racial tensions. The white British people had fuck all, decimated by pit and steel closures. The racial tension, fighting, distrust, fear and racism from both sides was constant.

Add to that drug problems (heroin mainly) in areas like that, and poverty in general, fear of the authorities from both communities, a massive issue with police and public relations going back to how the miners strikes were policed and a corrupt local government and it was literally a tinder box waiting to go up.

My sister was groomed from being 13 by a white man. My friends from school by white and Pakistani men. School knew, the police knew, social services knew. Everybody knew. But no one agency or service would act because everything was so tense. The riots in Rotherham last month weren't just about asylum seekers, it was all the anger and fear and sense of betrayal for the last 30 odd years.

My friend worked in a children's home in the late 90s, early 00s. She said it was impossible to stop the girls leaving in taxis. They weren't allowed to physically restrain them and the girls were more frightened of the men than the care staff.

My mums friend was told by social services her 14 year old dd was 'obviously attracted' to the 30 odd year old man grooming her, and while they had 'concerns' there was nothing they could or would do because 'we will push them closer, forbidden love etc'.

It was horrific. Still is in some areas. My mum lives in one, she won't let my dd (age 20 but looks 14) go to the shops when she stays over because she worries she will he targeted by the gangs of youths that loiter around the takeaway and taxi rank.

It happened and continues to do so because the fear of igniting racial tensions is real. I live further out of town now, in a suburb with very little diversity. We moved because I didn't want dd to be exposed to the same things we were exposed to when we were children.

These heart breaking stories make me want to scream. Where is the child protection? Nothing seems to have changed. I will write to the government as it is not just a local issue. I work in education and our school is so hot on reporting Safeguarding concerns. It's making me feel what is the fucking point if concerns are ignored.

Agreed. 106 years makes it seem like a big deal. Reality is that man doing only 6 years (and will probably be out before that) for ruining those girls lives is disgusting

Like always said it's about a certain Pakistani community who are the abusers , this may get deleted but it's truth.

I like Inthe area but we actually live in fear of reporting because we will be the trouble makers.

Absolutely excellent post. And really does explain my (and your) home town.

Rotherham is a dive and there is no one at on earth I would allow my son to enter certain parts of it.

When I once tried to explain issues such as the ones you've explained on MN I was told by posters that white people cannot be victims of racism. My response then, and now, is you clearly have never been to Rotherham.

I suggest to some to read the Jay Report and also Sammy Woodhouse's book - also follow her on FB.

I grew up in Rotherham and this is absolutely bang on. Girls I grew up with had white and Asian ‘boyfriends’, there was a culture of very young girls having adult male boyfriends and this being totally normalised. But these specific grooming gangs (as they were organised as gangs rather than individual men) sought out young girls who were thrown to the wolves by the services that should have protected them. A family member had a termination at 12 after getting a first little job delivering leaflets for takeaway. If I’d have been in the wrong place at the wrong time this would have been me.

Read the Jay Report. I and many others have a huge amount of anger about how this was allowed to happen and how it continues to happen with nothing being done. Services would rather save face than admit is still going on. Same rot, different decade.

I worked in children’s homes in this sort of era. Basically no one cared about the girls. There might be some notes on their file saying ‘cse concerns’ (child sexual exploitation). But nothing around how to prevent it.

Girls would go missing all the time. We’d ring the police and they’d note it but not really look for them. Then when the girls came back the police would do a welfare check on them at the children’s home. Might take five mins. The girls would just say they’d been out with their boyfriend. Still no one cared. It was awful. I eventually quit coz I couldn’t believe how awful these homes were and how lacking in care.

one girl’s behaviour was horrendous. Used to smash up the place, assault staff etc. Everyone knew she slept with lots older men and would go missing a lot. The social worker said that she was old enough to consent when she was 14. And that there was nothing we could do, this girl was making a choice. She was being trafficked all over the country. She was blamed by social workers for all of it for being a wild child.

I still think about that job and those girls. And boys to be fair. Some of the boys were having sex with adults. They’d hang out at the gay village and then go upstairs at clubs to have sex for money with grown men.

One of the questions I’d really like to know, is why there are so many children being let down by those supposed to care about them. The managers just made a shit ton of money off the homes and drove round is a sports car.

Disgusting. Happening all over Yorkshire and Lancashire. Been the same for the last 30ish years. They used to come and pick the vulnerable girls up from school in their taxis. Everyone knows it’s going on and no one gives a shit. The girls are treated as if they want to be there. The men are protected because no one wants to be accused of racism. There are posters on here who don’t want to mention certain ethnic groups for fear of deletion. But ask anyone from these areas who’s doing the abusing and they’ll give you one answer.

Also - for anyone who wants to see what it’s really like for themselves. As a white woman, try walking through Dewsbury town centre in a short skirt. Nuff said.

This is just so horrific to read. Staggering to see how badly these girls have been let down by the authorities. Head should roll for this but of course they won't.

Sadly.im one of those I know who is doing it,

Buy mumsnet delete things for fear of being racist they are part of the problem.

The problem in Rotherham isn't saudis, Iranians etc or even Muslims it's a certain community who through councillors has a lot of power it's sickening but our hands are tied

The problem in Rotherham isn't saudis, Iranians etc or even Muslims it's a certain community who through councillors has a lot of power it's sickening but our hands are tied

Is this something that can be raised with your MP? Or would it be ignored - or worse, come back to you in some way?