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To feel like a bit of a fraud? Not Scottish!

37 replies

Rottiee · 14/09/2024 20:40

I was raised in Scotland to a proudly Scottish family. I speak Scots Gaelic. Always thought I was 100% Scottish.

Then I found out that 2/4 grandparents are adopted (yes what are the chances). I did a DNA kit to find out their origins.

Turns out I’m 55% English, 40% Scottish, 5% Welsh. I can’t believe it. I’m a fraud - I’m English!

OP posts:
Sethera · 14/09/2024 20:43

I really doubt anyone is genetically 100% Scottish, English, etc. Your cultural identity is more about your experience and choices than your genes. You're born and bred in Scotland and it sounds as though you are deeply immersed in Scottish culture, so you are Scottish.

TerfsWereRight · 14/09/2024 20:44

Lol! You’re definitely Scottish! Life experience and identity is way may important than genetics. Must be quite weird for you though!

Chasingthewilddeer · 14/09/2024 20:45

Being Scottish is more than genetics. If you were raised in Scotland, you are Scottish.

jamtarty · 14/09/2024 20:46

You’re being pretty offensive to your grandparents who were adopted into Scottish families. There’s more to family than blood.

QuiteAnEpicFailure · 14/09/2024 20:47

I only have 1 gp actually Scottish but I was born and raised here and I very much identify as Scottish, genetically I’m probably more Welsh!

Itabsolutelyispossible · 14/09/2024 20:48

Anyone can be Scottish! Welcome!

Whothefuckdoesthat · 14/09/2024 20:48

Born in Scotland, raised in Scotland, you sound pretty Scottish to me.

TheCultureHusks · 14/09/2024 20:49

🤣 nobody is 55% this and 40% that. It’s not real. Genetically everyone is a mix, certainly within the British Isles! It’s a way of describing it certainly, but it has no real meaning that translates to ‘making’ you anything at all.

howshouldibehave · 14/09/2024 20:52

I think if you were born and grew up in Scotland to Scottish parents, you can count yourself as being Scottish!

It’s the people on some Facebook groups (Outlander groups, I’m looking at you!) who had ancestors who came over to America from Scotland in the 1740s who say they’re Scottish that I find a bit bizarre!

TheCultureHusks · 14/09/2024 20:54

What I mean is, you may have x percentages of the gene groups that are associated with Scotland/Wales/whatever blah blah, but if you examined everyone in Scotland for the gene mix and cross referenced it with folk ‘born and bred’ there v incomers or those with grannies from Cornwall or whatever, there wouldn’t be as clear a pattern as you might think. For exactly this reason!

There’s a Welsh speaking lady somewhere, bimbling around in the Welsh village she’s lived in all her life who only has 4% Welsh genes, and you’re more Welsh than her 😀

Anyonefortennistoday · 14/09/2024 21:08

Itabsolutelyispossible · 14/09/2024 20:48

Anyone can be Scottish! Welcome!

That's a really nice thing to say.

I was born in England but I've lived 46 years in Scotland - I moved here when I married a Glaswegian.

I identify as Scottish, even though my accent still gives my origins away.

So OP you are definitely Scottish! You were born here for heavens sake!

BendingSpoons · 14/09/2024 21:20

In my case:
4 Scottish grandparents
Both parents born in England
Lived my whole life in England

I'm potentially 100% Scottish by ancestry but would never claim I'm Scottish when I've visited once!

Sunplanner · 14/09/2024 21:22

What 40% of you is Scottish? If it's your head and your heart, you're in !

Evilartsgrad · 14/09/2024 21:24

Not how DNA works. It is based on probabilities of certain markers in certain populations. Scots border populations are nearly indistinguishable from English border populations anyway. The border is political not cultural.

Blanketpolicy · 14/09/2024 21:25

2 Scottish grandparents
1 Irish grandparent came to Scotland as a young child
1 Lithuanian grandparent came to Scotland as a baby

My parents were born and raised in Scotland.

I consider myself 100% Scottish. It isn't about blood.

JohnCravensNewsround · 14/09/2024 21:50

Interestingly, the only Scottish ancestor I csn find is my mums maternal line, who were Irish dockyard workers who moved to Scotland in the 1850s ( and then moved south in the next generation) Yet my DNA shows 25% Scottish.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/09/2024 21:55

If you live in Scotland, or consider yourself Scottish, then you are 100% Scottish.

I doubt you'll find anyone doing these test who returns a 100% anything result. I know I have Danish relatives if I go back 4 or 5 generations, one of my Grandparents was born in England. None of that makes me any less Scottish.

x2boys · 14/09/2024 21:56

Rottiee · 14/09/2024 20:40

I was raised in Scotland to a proudly Scottish family. I speak Scots Gaelic. Always thought I was 100% Scottish.

Then I found out that 2/4 grandparents are adopted (yes what are the chances). I did a DNA kit to find out their origins.

Turns out I’m 55% English, 40% Scottish, 5% Welsh. I can’t believe it. I’m a fraud - I’m English!

If you were born in Scotland than surely your Scottish,?
I was born in England I identify as English because I have always lived here however my Dad and his entire family are Irish my maiden name is Irish, most of my mums heritage is also Irish, I still identify as English though!

Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 21:57

2/4 grandparents being English doesn’t make you English.

Serencwtch · 14/09/2024 21:59

That all sounds very Nazi like. Are pure Scottish people better? What about people born & raised in Scotland but with both parents born abroad - are they less Scottish?

Genevieva · 14/09/2024 22:02

DNA tests can’t tell you your ethnicity. Ethnicity is cultural and familial as well as genetic. You are Scottish.

My mother is Scottish with an Irish granny. My father is English with Scottish ancestry. It’s quite possible a dna test would declare me predominantly Scottish, but I was brought up in England, so I’m English with Scottish family. I’m not % anything. My only Scottish trait is the way I was brought up to cook and eat porridge.

Andtheworldwentwhite · 14/09/2024 22:03

My husband is Scottish. Someone at his work phoned and spoke to him and said … oh there used to be a lovely Scottish man who used to work there. What happened to him.

he was so upset. Over 20 year in England and he is very loving of Scotland still and classes himself as Scottish. But I do think his accent is fading. Though I’m not dumb enough to tell him that 😂

Genevieva · 14/09/2024 22:06

Andtheworldwentwhite · 14/09/2024 22:03

My husband is Scottish. Someone at his work phoned and spoke to him and said … oh there used to be a lovely Scottish man who used to work there. What happened to him.

he was so upset. Over 20 year in England and he is very loving of Scotland still and classes himself as Scottish. But I do think his accent is fading. Though I’m not dumb enough to tell him that 😂

Everyone’s different. One of my aunts is an accent chameleon, but my mother’s accent is unchange from over 4 decades in England.

ZanyPombear · 14/09/2024 22:09

I realise this isn’t quite what this thread is about and maybe it needs its own thread I don’t know but why is it that someone of indian or black origin can be born in the Uk and identify as British but you can’t be white and born in a black or Indian majority country and be considered the same ethnicity

LlynTegid · 14/09/2024 22:10

The late Stuart Adamson was born in Manchester. He was Scottish too.

We don't view Boris Johnson as American though he was born in New York.

You are Scottish and should not think otherwise.