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Who's paying for all this eco work?

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:09

I live in Leicester and heaps of houses are having eco work done, expensive wall insulation and solar panels etc.

You need to be on benefits to receive funding.

I know one local one got solar panels after age extended her house upwards by one level. Massive in investment! She said shes in receipt of UC so can get it.

I don't understand where tens of thousands of pounds to reduce carbon from private homes is coming from and how all the houses which are £350k+ in value are eligible for benefits?

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:53

Rummly · 14/09/2024 19:46

They probably shouldn’t get anything. I’m not against that particular cut in welfare payments. And there will be other even more savage benefit cuts under this government that we should take a sensible view about.

But all governments sweeten the pill in some way. So it wouldn’t surprise me if numb-fingered, stooping, shivering pensioners get some solar panels on the cheap off Mr Miliband.

Why do you think pensioners can't heat their homes?

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:54

Arafon · 14/09/2024 19:48

There was some scheme which the Tories brought out in conjunction with the energy companies where you could have subsidised insulation if your house was energy rating D or less. Ours is probably D but we haven't got an EPC and I wouldn't want my walls filled with stuff anyway, my house was built to breathe

Are you going to remove your double glazing, plastic, wall paint, concrete, floor coverings etc? Plus heat via your chimney?

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:58

Catza · 14/09/2024 19:24

So, instead, you propose a reduction in 50% of personal vehicles? How would that work then? How much would it cost in compensation and public transport investment? I'll take your quick napkin calculations

Would you rather have your neighbour not have a car or a gas boiler?

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:59

Giving people solar is pointless for electricity as most houses are gas heated.

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Rummly · 14/09/2024 19:59

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:53

Why do you think pensioners can't heat their homes?

Oh, if they plan well enough they definitely can keep themselves warm.

An elderly neighbour of mine has a working fireplace and a huge stack of Labour election pamphlets she’s collected to burn for the winter. She’s sorted.

HeddaGarbled · 14/09/2024 20:01

Don’t post on Mumsnet in the middle of a conversation with your in laws. How rude 😃

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 20:01

Rummly · 14/09/2024 19:59

Oh, if they plan well enough they definitely can keep themselves warm.

An elderly neighbour of mine has a working fireplace and a huge stack of Labour election pamphlets she’s collected to burn for the winter. She’s sorted.

Lol lol lol

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 20:02

HeddaGarbled · 14/09/2024 20:01

Don’t post on Mumsnet in the middle of a conversation with your in laws. How rude 😃

Drinking scots would have a convo with a mop head

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WingsofRain · 14/09/2024 20:13

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:53

Why do you think pensioners can't heat their homes?

Why would you assume we can?

We have had no heating in our house for 30 years and will lose our winter fuel allowance under the new rules. We are lucky enough to be eligible for heating to be installed under the scheme, hopefully our electricity bills will be more affordable with solar panels.

We aren’t all that unusual, many people struggle to heat their homes as they get older.

Catza · 14/09/2024 20:14

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:58

Would you rather have your neighbour not have a car or a gas boiler?

You were the one concerned about who is paying for it. I am asking you to give me some sums which prove that your proposal will be more cost-effective.
Doesn't matter what I think about my neighbours. I don't see how the current state of the public transport makes your proposal even remotely realistic.

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 20:31

Catza · 14/09/2024 20:14

You were the one concerned about who is paying for it. I am asking you to give me some sums which prove that your proposal will be more cost-effective.
Doesn't matter what I think about my neighbours. I don't see how the current state of the public transport makes your proposal even remotely realistic.

Stand next to your neighbours gas boiler vs standing next to a main road with your newborn

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 20:32

WingsofRain · 14/09/2024 20:13

Why would you assume we can?

We have had no heating in our house for 30 years and will lose our winter fuel allowance under the new rules. We are lucky enough to be eligible for heating to be installed under the scheme, hopefully our electricity bills will be more affordable with solar panels.

We aren’t all that unusual, many people struggle to heat their homes as they get older.

You've not had heating bills for 30 years so you are minted....

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Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 20:37

@WingsofRain We have had no heating in our house for 30 years and will lose our winter fuel allowance under the new rules.

You’re annoyed about losing a winter fuel payment that you haven’t been using to heat your home?

Catza · 14/09/2024 20:39

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 20:31

Stand next to your neighbours gas boiler vs standing next to a main road with your newborn

How does this answer my question?
I don't hangout by main roads, I don't see why you can't just move somewhere more rural. It's a choice, isn't it?

Againname · 14/09/2024 20:58

Am I just weird? I have no idea whether any of my neighbours are on benefits but I've seen lots of threads on MN where people seem to happily tell their neighbours all their private financial information. Is it now commonplace to do this?

Anyway regarding two of your questions OP.

how all the houses which are £350k+ in value are eligible for benefits?

I'm assuming you're referring to owner occupiers (rather than renters). The answer is because people can get ill or made redundant or be working but on low wages (perhaps the only job they could find after redundancy from a previous higher paid job) so need benefits top-up.

Why do you think pensioners can't heat their homes?

Some can. Others can't afford to. The numbers of UK pensioners in poverty has increased in recent years. And the threshold for pension credit is very low.

The stereotype of wealthy pensioners ignores the many who are struggling. From Centre for Ageing Better:

wealth inequality within older age groups is vastly greater than between older and younger age groups.

Additionally older people often feel the cold more and are more likely to be at home a lot especially as the older someone is the more likely to develop health or mobility issues - so their heating bills will be higher than someone younger and in good health. (It's an issue for younger disabled people too).

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 21:26

Againname · 14/09/2024 20:58

Am I just weird? I have no idea whether any of my neighbours are on benefits but I've seen lots of threads on MN where people seem to happily tell their neighbours all their private financial information. Is it now commonplace to do this?

Anyway regarding two of your questions OP.

how all the houses which are £350k+ in value are eligible for benefits?

I'm assuming you're referring to owner occupiers (rather than renters). The answer is because people can get ill or made redundant or be working but on low wages (perhaps the only job they could find after redundancy from a previous higher paid job) so need benefits top-up.

Why do you think pensioners can't heat their homes?

Some can. Others can't afford to. The numbers of UK pensioners in poverty has increased in recent years. And the threshold for pension credit is very low.

The stereotype of wealthy pensioners ignores the many who are struggling. From Centre for Ageing Better:

wealth inequality within older age groups is vastly greater than between older and younger age groups.

Additionally older people often feel the cold more and are more likely to be at home a lot especially as the older someone is the more likely to develop health or mobility issues - so their heating bills will be higher than someone younger and in good health. (It's an issue for younger disabled people too).

I would rather we discussed financial matters so others could learn.
.it's no biggie about theses eco schemes.

The sheer number of homes with nice cars and big homes, but benefits claimed... Weird

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Farting · 14/09/2024 21:27

Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 19:25

As a side note, I just assume anyone having external insulation put on a period property is a moron.
It’s largely ineffective and is going to cause a huge damp crisis in a decade.

Congratulations you’re the first person I’ve met that has got this right.

Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 21:33

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 21:26

I would rather we discussed financial matters so others could learn.
.it's no biggie about theses eco schemes.

The sheer number of homes with nice cars and big homes, but benefits claimed... Weird

How on earth would you know whether someone receives any benefits by walking down the street and looking about?

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 21:34

Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 21:33

How on earth would you know whether someone receives any benefits by walking down the street and looking about?

If they have EWI they are most likely in receipt of benefits.

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Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 21:36

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 21:34

If they have EWI they are most likely in receipt of benefits.

I don’t think that’s an accurate metric at all.

mewkins · 14/09/2024 22:02

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 19:40

Why should those pensioners who.have a healthy pension from a private fund get extra money?

There are plenty of OAPs just above the threshold for claiming pension credits who are far from being wealthy pensioners.

BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 22:50

mewkins · 14/09/2024 22:02

There are plenty of OAPs just above the threshold for claiming pension credits who are far from being wealthy pensioners.

Healthy pension.... Let's face it pensions today aren't like before

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Twidget · 14/09/2024 22:51

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BeLoftyTurtle · 14/09/2024 22:51

Mooneywoo · 14/09/2024 21:36

I don’t think that’s an accurate metric at all.

I think it is.

Who else will spend £15-20k doing this work?.

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DinosaurMunch · 14/09/2024 22:57

People I know paid for their own solar panels. 15k isn't that much. It's an investment and will save money in the long run. These people are not stinking rich just normal