Colleague deliberately staying late at work just to accrue TOIL?

[KatParr]

She admitted yesterday she'd been staying past her contracted times, 10-15 mins here and there deliberately and has managed to accrue a whole week of TOIL!? we are a very small team who has an issue (imo) with sickness. Although we all have different roles, it inevitably impacts everyone when someone is off, even for leave. She also arranges appointments and runs regular "errands" on her working days (so leaves the workplace for up to an hour) when she has every Monday and Tuesday off. She is incredibly skillful at "looking busy" and talking constantly about having loads to do. Yes, I do notice it because none of us imo are busy enough to accrue TOIL.

She said she has leave left but wanted to 'save' it. I'm feeling pissed off. She has no reason to stay late every day as she does, genuinely, it's not that kind of role. I'm thinking of speaking to the manager about what she said regarding the TOIL. AIBU or should I keep my nose out?

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But it is their business! What part of it's impacting on the poster and the team did you miss?

This would really irritate me, however I had a similar situation (I was her senior but not her direct manager) and when I flagged it the manager concerned sided with the employee. I was kind of let go a few months later and I think it was related as I’d really raised the profile of the company the point where we’d won an award so was doing a good Job.
If you flag just be aware of other stuff at play. I then found out from another friend in the same industry that this employee had been exactly the same when she’d managed her so I was right in my suspicions. Sometimes this kind of shit isn’t fair, so just be careful how you do it!

Sounds like a crap idea personally I'd never work above and beyond if the toil had a load of stipulations like that on it. Thats not the way to manage deal with the people who are the issue! Not screw over the good staff because of a few bad ones. The employees are doing the company a favour working the extra time if they aren't then why are they working extra time? Poor management unfortunately is to blame for staff taking the piss with this type of thing. Which the Op's situation is a prime example of. Unfortunately Op if you've got rubbish management who don't pick up on this type of thing or deal with it. Complaining to this type of management will probably just land you in the bad books. Having experienced poor management you're better off ignoring these annoyances of others on the blag and find your own blags and perks or leave and go on to pastures new you're better than that employer.

To be fair this is how modern business operate these days, the best ones anyway! It's all about flexible working, being able to manage your work/life balance. I couldn't work somewhere where I wasn't allowed to use time during the day for appointments.

Love this! I would do this for sure! Also in the manger’s hearing I would ask if she needs a hand “as you seem so much busier than the rest of us!” But then I can be a bitch and this would wind the hell out of me. My business or not!

I used to work with someone like this. She didn't even do most her work and would busybody and delegate and people couldn't ever book fridays off because she would accrue for no reason and use it to suit her. Workplaces usually have policies on this - such as if you actually need to stay late (emergency) and it can not be left, thats fine, but things that can be left its not fine. Also if theres docs apps that you can not get outside of work time it may be they let you work it back after. My last workplace used to say that if you accrued the most you could accrue was a day and thats it, but it had to be used within a set time.

The lady got pulled up on it. We worked in a hospital and we not only had her dilly dallying about not seeing patients but then she would accrue time saying she was doing her admin whilst doing f all after work and chatting and distracting everyone else.

I think here and there for genuine reason or a one off thing eg a colleague went to one concert that yeat thats a bit far and didnt want to book off two hours for travel and accrued, asking the manager and saying what work they will do, fine. All the tine just fucks people off and leaves them to struggle. Depends on the job/sector too

I agree with the TOIL being within a specified time. If I work on a bank holiday and get TOIL this applies to me.

We have a really robust policy regarding TOIL.
We have set hours for working and where meetings or weekend events happen outside of our contracted working hours we can claim TOIL - it has to be taken the following week but with special permission can be used within the month. Obviously they spin it as looking after staff and not overworking and being exhausted but really it’s so that no one is saving a weeks worth of TOIL to take just before Christmas or whenever - works for everyone and it’s very transparent.

People will get PAID to work extra instead of having time off of more than 8 hours at a time. They get 5 weeks holiday plus bank holidays, we have flexible working for appts and 8 hours of TOIL at a time they can have. In a small team more than 8 hours toil starts to heavily impact productivity. If an employer has people needing to regularly work more hours than their contract then they do not have the right staffing ratios and I would need to recruit more staff or look at the workload. This is meant to look after staff and their work life balance not punish them. Why do people come to work just to do more work than they are paid to do, to just to have more time off? It doesn’t make sense 😂

WOW You must be a real do-gooder to want to dob your Colleague in it. Does it impact your work load that much if she take time off? Surely her Line Manager knows what her work load is & is aware she stays behind. I'd suggest minding your own business & not go telling tales, being a brown nose isn't a good look.

Of course it matters, because it creates ill feeling in the team if one member is taking the piss!
I think its perfectly reasonable to ask your manager what the policy is on TOIL and on taking extended lunch breaks etc on working days.
In my experience an organisation would not expect you to take TOIL for working 15 or so mins above tour daily contracted hours- that amount of extra time is kind of expected. Likewise in my experience if you have to do something personal on a given day then the expectation is that you would gey prior agreement and make up that time that day or the next.

Seriously, don't be that person. You sound jealous. I am struggling to believe you are actually considering doing this.

If it bothers you that much talk to the person, but snitching is not really the way.